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    Iraq analysis

    Official US agency paints dire picture of 'out-of-control' Iraq

    · Analysis issued by USAid in reconstruction effort

    · Account belies picture painted by White House

    An official assessment drawn up by the US foreign aid agency depicts the security situation in Iraq as dire, amounting to a "social breakdown" in which criminals have "almost free rein".

    The "conflict assessment" is an attachment to an invitation to contractors to bid on a project rehabilitating Iraqi cities published earlier this month by the US Agency for International Development (USAid).

    The picture it paints is not only darker than the optimistic accounts from the White House and the Pentagon, it also gives a more complex profile of the insurgency than the straightforward "rejectionists, Saddamists and terrorists" described by George Bush....

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...688730,00.html


    How difficult it must be for the American people to arrive at any clear understanding of the situation in Iraq when the spin, lies and propaganda being disseminated by their administration, their military, and the clandestine groups funded by the U.S. government being paid millions of dollars to plant false stories in the Iraqi media (to be recycled to the poor, gullible Americans as 'good news') that finds its way into U.S. media is in direct contrast to the dark and negative reports being given to the U.S. administration by its own agencies. The American people are fed the 'official, spun version' by a largely compliant U.S. media (with some honorable exceptions), while the real facts are suppressed, surfacing on occasion in non-U.S. or Arab media long before the facts emerge in the U.S.A.

    Even the kneee-jerk dismissals of the veracity of Arab media coming from certain Americans are prompted by 'what they are told' for in truth few can read or speak Arabic (or Farsi for that matter), so have no personal ability to assess the accuracy or otherwise of Arabic newspaper, TV, radio or online news reports.

    This state of affairs - the official lies being used to shape and influence the opinion of an American public ignorant of facts on the ground - has marked the Iraq conflict throughout its existence.

    It is remarkable how, having seen its administration, intelligence agencies and military caught out in lie after lie, over and over again, any section of U.S. society can continue to place any faith whatsoever in the utterances of White House and Pentagon spokespersons. And yet, bless them, many of them do blindly and uncritically cling to 'the official version', a version that the article cited above, along with a great many others, reveals is not borne out by facts on the ground at all.

    U.S. propaganda has had scant success in winning Arab 'hearts and minds' but perhaps that is not its primary purpose. It seems clear that the painting of rosy pictures with regard to Iraq is geared more towards trying to convince an uneducated American public to support its illegal, immoral actions in Iraq and elsewhere.

    How can any U.S. citizen have confidence in an administration that is trying to manipulate his or her opinion while simultaneously in possession of facts that are in stark contrast to the lies and propaganda being fed to the American public?
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    The Associated Press

    January 20, 2006 6:57 AM


    A breakdown of seats allocated to the 12 political entities from preliminary results announced Friday from the Dec. 15 elections for the 275-member Iraqi parliament.

    - United Iraqi Alliance (Shiite, including Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari): 128 seats.

    - Kurdish Coalition (comprising parties led by President Jalal Talabani and Kurdish leader Massoud Barzani): 53 seats.

    - Iraqi Accordance Front (Sunni Arab): 44 seats.

    - Iraqi Front for National Dialogue (Sunni Arab): 11 seats.

    - Iraqi National List (secular, led by former Prime Minister Ayad Allawi): 25 seats.

    - Islamic Part of Kurdistan: 5 seats.

    - Reconciliation and Liberation Bloc (Sunni Arab): 3 seats.

    - Risaliyoun (Shiites): 2 seats.

    - Turkomen Iraqi Front (represents ethnic Turks): 1 seat.

    - Iraqi Nation List (Sunni): 1 seat.

    - Yazidi minority religious sect: 1 seat.

    - Al-Rafidian List (Christian): 1 seat.


    http://www.newspress.com/Top/Article...67635665864399

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    Yes, the cat's out of the bag now. It's obvious that establishing a representative democracy in place of tyranny is going to be painful. Lots of old scores to settle. But why should people have to live under a sadistic dictator? There's just no way that's gonna fly in the 21st Century. Everyone who thinks brutal dictatorships are cool, raise your hand.

    Sometimes I get the impression that many of you naysayers and handwringers think Iraqis are just a bunch of uncivilised monkeys who are incapable of the compromise necessary to form coalitions and such. Give 'em a chance, for crying out loud!

    Another thing I've noticed is that a lot of the complainers are in fact living in countries where they get to enjoy the benefits of representative democracy but would deny those benefits to Iraqis. That is essentially what allowing Saddam to remain in power would have done.

    At least the Iraqis have something resembling a constitution. Did they have that under Saddam?

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    Originally posted by Bilderbooger
    Everyone who thinks brutal dictatorships are cool, raise your hand.
    Rumsfeld shook Saddam's hand and supported him. I dont see you putting democracy in many African countries where there are plenty of dictators, how about North Koria too.

    Your post is a joke, people have woken up to this democracy joke the US administration keep using.

    Khokom.

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    Originally posted by Bilderbooger
    Yes, the cat's out of the bag now. It's obvious that establishing a representative democracy in place of tyranny is going to be painful. Lots of old scores to settle. But why should people have to live under a sadistic dictator? There's just no way that's gonna fly in the 21st Century. Everyone who thinks brutal dictatorships are cool, raise your hand.

    Sometimes I get the impression that many of you naysayers and handwringers think Iraqis are just a bunch of uncivilised monkeys who are incapable of the compromise necessary to form coalitions and such. Give 'em a chance, for crying out loud!

    Another thing I've noticed is that a lot of the complainers are in fact living in countries where they get to enjoy the benefits of representative democracy but would deny those benefits to Iraqis. That is essentially what allowing Saddam to remain in power would have done.

    At least the Iraqis have something resembling a constitution. Did they have that under Saddam?
    You believe in "democracy" by CRIMINAL bush? you still believe in Santa Clauss"

    in ALL the planet there is ONE dictator, Saddam and JESUS CHRISTUS the messiah bush the criminal takes ALL these troubles to come to irak to establish democracy,??????
    it is a WONDERFUL WORLD!!!!

    bush the criminal is So generous to do that.

    he has lost this war ALREADY, it is a matter of time only.
    the OIL he wanted to steal this EVIL DOER is not possible as long as there is JIHAD in bilad errafidein(irak).his hand will be CUT there.he will face the same fate the RED BEAR faced in afghanistan.History repeats itself dear.

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    Originally posted by Khokom
    Originally posted by Bilderbooger
    Everyone who thinks brutal dictatorships are cool, raise your hand.
    Rumsfeld shook Saddam's hand and supported him. I dont see you putting democracy in many African countries where there are plenty of dictators, how about North Koria too.

    Your post is a joke, people have woken up to this democracy joke the US administration keep using.

    Khokom.
    Take the USA out of the equation and answer an abstract question.

    Are you against democracy as a concept?



    V

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    Originally posted by voltaire
    Originally posted by Khokom
    Originally posted by Bilderbooger
    Everyone who thinks brutal dictatorships are cool, raise your hand.
    Rumsfeld shook Saddam's hand and supported him. I dont see you putting democracy in many African countries where there are plenty of dictators, how about North Koria too.

    Your post is a joke, people have woken up to this democracy joke the US administration keep using.

    Khokom.
    Take the USA out of the equation and answer an abstract question.

    Are you against democracy as a concept?



    V
    I am against deocracy as a concept. There are parts of it such as freedom, human rights, respect, openess which are great but other parts which fall down. In essence democarcy falls down as it looks to safeguard the majorities needs yet simultaneously make sure minorities are not abused yet simultaneously be ellected and represent a majority.

    So for them to properly safeguard the minority they must go against the needs of the majority by making certain compromises, at this point it no longer remains a democracy and then this abuse what true democracy leads to greater abuses until you end up with an ellected dictator as in the UK.

    We will ellect you through democratic means (arguable) yet when u are in u do what u want for 5 years. An ellected, fixed term dictatorship.

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