THe Future of Algeria

[bernice]

I would like to know what people think the future of Algeria looks like. Will it be the same as it is today? Better, worse? Please let me know as soon as you can.Thanks

[Jugurten]

Hey Bernice;

It will be better ! - It has already started, but will accelerate as GW Bush defeats Chirac and the useless UN in the International Affairs arena. France which supports illegimate governments in Africa) will loose its credibility, and its sales of the Veto Vote will prove useless, that will force those governments to adjust, then the natural call for return to true identity, culture and self-worth by natives will take place. The genetic pool and the historical influences will quickly bring it back to the surface - Next generation - The first sign will be in the agressive pro-African identification and involvment, culturally and economically. It will lead to the Islam as a rally-tool put back to place, and it will fail and vanish from Africa on the long run. The rational for it can be found in a response I composed for another thread about Saddam which follows:

Let me close the thread with this:
War results from the failure of two parties to resolve a conflict. One cannot yes feel disgust at the idea that Human Beings will die because of war. However, in another thread, I have written about Value-System, which I find to be the root cause of all the problems in the middle east, not oil. Most Arab mentalities stem(result/come from) principles found in concepts of life prescribed by axioms (fondamental rules) governing the notions of good and bad, and true and false. At a higher level, 3 concepts are fondamentally backwards in the Islamic Theology which results in same or similar cultural concepts, those axioms are:
1. Islam is not an original worked that developed from real
life experience i.e. natural evolution of people, but
rather by a ill-copy of old and new testaments which in
turn resulted from a real human struggle of the Jewish
people. The racist aspects or possible interpretations
of some Jewish theology comes from struggle for
survival, and calls for reconciliaytion the similar
texts modified by Muslims are pure racism.(that was a
side remark).
2. Islam denies direct linkage between God and Man(Human)
and promotes power to proxies(Immams), and the Network
goes back to the Madina as a supreme authority. Same
thing as in the 2 other religions. Augustine (North-
African from what would be now Algeria, has extensively
written about these themes) which resulted in an
enormous conflict and the birth of the idea of
protestant Churches). He developed or deciphered/decoded
the necessity and call by the Christ to independance of
peoples and variety resulting from differences in
cultures based on languages). This is point 3 below, but
resulting from the denial of Divinity of Humans makes
Human life not Sacred which is the root of the violent
character of Muslim people. At the extreme it's suicide
bomber logic!
3. As mentioned above, the requirement of Arabic language
to be the language of God, aims are permanent
destruction of one's Identity and self-esteem all
together and loss in cultural diversity and progress. To
be innovative one needs to be in touch/harmony with
self, in total liberty, which the above denies. That
results in backwards progress (just estimate the
development of any country in Arabia, Africa and
elsewhere where where Islam is solid).
4. The ways to development is not by means of evolution in
the Muslim culture but but by means of theft and
forceful take away.(support: search the web for the word
Djihad). A very good example is North Africa (From Egypt
to Mauritania). From the Atlantis civilization to
bloodiest sauvage pseudo-civil war in Algeria! Islam
does not bring any thing to the people where it goes,
but destruction! It simply has an ill-conceived notion
of logic or good and bad / true and false.
Now, back to Saddam: His party one of two that promote this kind(Arabo-Muslim) models is the BAATH, the other being Hasbollah. In Algeria for instance, the currently holders of government are of BAATH culture and influence (Not fanatics but still of the same tree (intellectually). The Hosbollah on the other hand is the Iran, Yemen, Pakistan, Afganistan - The BAATH is rather Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, and most N. African countries governments, which by the way all got and kept power by means of force and theft of people's resources. As you see Saddam in addition of being of that sick culture, is mentally sick/ill. He thinks he is Stalin which he is not. He has done more domage to the Iraqi people than any one else, definately not Israelis!
His attacks on them of course, is to rally around the Palestinian conflict, which Jews and others have hard time trying to solve, simply because of lack of logic! Palestinians (Mostly those backed by Islamist fundamentalists) couldn't see GOOD, in negotiations with Israelis (it's backwards !). The only aid they receive from so-called brothers is for bad/criminal deeds, not for the betterness of Palestinian human conditions. Meet a Palestinian who has lived in so-called Islamic country and ask what he got! Had the PLO and its President been able to grasp the notion of good, the Palestinian problem would have gone. Palestinians(along with innocent Israelis/victims) who are not even Arabs are paying the cost of maintaining an ill-conceived religion in Judeo-Palestinian land.
The Saddam problem is one of Prevention, because as all know
if a muslim fanatic gets access to a mass killing medium, he will not hesitate using it. His/her notion of good and bad are simply SICK. Saddam therefore has got to go. Bush accepting this challenge is but a brave man. The Iraquis and the world at large will be better off in few months. Awaken arabs and others of Islamic heritage who live on freedom and the ability to think independently and logically are the 1st to call for it.
Post Saddam, the world in its entirety has to rally and support therefore the independence of native peoples (especially in Africa) who are infected by this virus, starting in Algeria, the most accute case.
Hope this helps both Algerians and non-Algerians, but especially Algerians who choose to accept the failure of their ancesters to the Arabs/Muslims and end up exercising the same madness onto their own. This Virus is worse than AIDS in AFRICA from Algiers to Johansbourg. Arabs owe it to themselves to cure themselves and Africans to stop maintaining this religion and language on their behalf.
Cheers. How is Tiger?

[Zina]

You are a bad fortune teller with no gift a charlatan...I have never heard of any self respected Algerian uttering so much rubbish like you do..but then again you call yourself Maricani don't you ?

What is your story ? You went to that zionist country and you are appearently happy there so why air your sick views about our country ? ..a place where you can never have a say in it.

We Arabs Algerians, do not allow you to have a say on our behalf nor do we ever allow traitors like yourself to come back and tell us what we should or should not do.

Your analisis of the situation made me laugh loud..I mean grow up at 42 you should behave yourself retarted boy ya khi!

[Jugurten]

ZINA la vache: This what happened on APril 9th (one month after I posted the previous) -

1. Ghaddafi gotten into a fist fight with Saoudi Prince,
left the league. Confronted Arabs to invest in African
energy infrastructure, but Saoudis are better than
blacks. Following that, last week: Here is what El-
Noudjahid and other ALgerian papers report:

La commission africaine de l’énergie installée hier à Alger
Faire profiter les Africains de leurs ressources énergétiques



Le siège de la Commission africaine de l’énergie (AFREC) a été inauguré hier à Alger par M. Chakib Khelil, ministre de l’Energie et des Mines, président en exercice de la conférence des ministres africains de l’Energie, en compagnie de M. Amara Essy, président de la commission de l’Union africaine.

Cette structure continentale, créée en juillet 2001, aspire à développer les ressources énergétiques que recèle l’Afrique, a assuré M. Khelil lors du séminaire sur le système d’information énergétique en Afrique ouvert hier à Alger.

«L’AFREC s’est engagée dans son premier volet d’action à mettre en place un système d’information régional intégré sur les données énergétiques et à former des experts africains dans le domaine de l’énergie», a-t-il expliqué dans son intervention inaugurale. Il a souligné par ailleurs, que l’existence d’un tel système est déterminante pour l’intégration énergétique régionale et continentale au sein de l’Afrique. Ce système permettra à des millions d’Africains d’accéder rapidement aux formes d’énergies modernes dont ils sont aujourd’hui privés.

Cela, malgré l’énorme potentiel énergétique classique et des gisements importants de sources d’énergie nouvelles et renouvelables que recèle le continent.

Le ministre a précisé, toutefois, que la convention portant création de l’AFREC a été ratifiée seulement par deux pays : l’Algérie et la Libye «Mais le travail est en cours. Nous n’allons pas attendre que la convention soit ratifiée par tous les gouvernements des pays d’Afrique pour commencer le travail », a-t-il affirmé. S’agissant de l’appui financier de cette structure, le président intérimaire de la commission de l’Union africaine, M. Amara Essy, a déclaré qu’un montant de 300 000 dollars sera débloqué par sa formation pour subventionner le budget de fonctionnement du secrétariat intérimaire de l’AFREC.

Celle-ci bénéficiera, en outre, de l’appui de plusieurs organisations régionales et internationales, telles que l’Union européenne, le Conseil mondial de l’Energie. Concernant la coopération régionale, M. Khelil citera l’expérience de l’Amérique latine qui a devancé l’Afrique dans le domaine de la mise en place des systèmes d’information énergétique (l’OLADE). «Cette expérience accumulée depuis plusieurs décennies est, selon le ministre, un puissant point d’appui pour le développement des échanges entre l’AFREC et l’OLADE. Elle ouvre des perspectives prometteuses pour la collaboration entre les deux continents dans le domaine de l’Energie».

Dans cette perspective, l’Algérie abritera en décembre 2003 une conférence des ministres de l’Energie africains et latino-américains pour débattre du thème «Expériences de développement de l’Afrique et de l’Amérique latine dans le domaine de l’énergie». Z. M.

2. PLO/Arafat: OUT

3. read the article below That league is official
dissolution.Démonstration de force des chiites à Kerbela

La Ligue arabe en voie de desintegration

Vers l’éclatement ?


Par Hani Rabah

Tous les diplomates arabes vous le diront : la première victime après la chute du régime de Saddam est l’organisation des Etats arabes, cette ligue créée il y a plus d’un demi-siècle, devenue la risée des opinions arabes. Son coup de grâce devait être consommé durant la guerre du Golfe en 1990, mais a pu être réanimée juste pour la façade, pour justifier quelques emplois pour hauts fonctionnaires de régimes à la recherche de voie de garage pour diplomates en fin de parcours ou en disgrâce. La ligue est morte de sa belle mort en ce 9 avril, en dépit des atermoiements et des louvoiements, car le plus douloureux, c’est l’annonce de son extinction, un aveu d’échec face à la réalité que des régimes ne veulent pas croire, admettre ni cautionner, jouant à la réanimation artificielle. Mais pour combien de temps ?

Tous les alibis bâtis autour de la guerre contre Israël se sont écroulés dès les premiers accords séparés, tous les mythes imaginés contre le bon sens se sont évaporés en 1982 lors de l’invasion israélienne au Liban. Alors que les Européens parlent officiellement de faire dissoudre l’OTAN, les régimes arabes s’accrochent encore à une illusion qui a pourtant montré toutes ses limites structurales et doctrinales. Depuis quelques semaines déjà, des sources diplomatiques avaient confirmé l’information selon laquelle des experts et des diplomates arabes planchent sur la question de créer une nouvelle organisation panarabe, dont les règles d’adhésion ne sont pas automatiques et que son fonctionnement obéirait à d’autres mécanismes plus souples et plus dynamiques.

Pour une refondation

Des contacts intenses ont eu lieu dans différentes capitales arabes, notamment du Moyen-Orient, autour de cette question. Des diplomates arabes avaient estimé qu’une rénovation de l’actuelle ligue n’est plus possible en raison des lourdeurs de son administration bureaucratisée, fonctionnant dans un style égyptiennisé et de l’héritage dévalorisant de ses échecs répétés dans tous les domaines de son intervention politique ou culturelle. L’image de marque de cette ligue a pris un sale coup avec la série de sondages officieux ou à caractère universitaire qui dévoilent l’impasse dans laquelle se trouve cette organisation née pour un temps et dans un autre contexte, et condamnée aujourd’hui à laisser place à d’autres appareils modernistes, pragmatiques, crédibles et profondément représentatifs des valeurs de la citoyenneté de la région. Pour certains diplomates, l’une des premières conditions avant la fondation d’une nouvelle organisation calquée sur le troisième millénaire est le bannissement du mot... arabe, un concept littéralement racial, c’est-à- dire synonyme de fermeture, de cloisonnement dans des affirmations et de démarches idéologiques sous la référence du mythe de la nation arabe, de l’héritage commun et des intérêts communautaires. Le sentiment d’appartenance a volé en éclats sous les coups de boutoir des spécificités régionales ou nationales, de la mondialisation et du manque des solidarités en période de crise. Aujourd’hui, ces diplomates croient que la prochaine organisation ne pourra réussir si elle se recroqueville toujours dans son postulat raciste, car les races n’existent plus, et aucune organisation internationale dans le monde n’est bâtie autour de ce critère, ni les Latins ne l’ont fait, ni les Serbes, ni les Turkmènes, ni les peuples «jaunes» ou «rouges.» Mais nos régimes sont-ils encore capables de l’admettre.

[Zina]

Je suis pas une vache mais une gazelle

You have no idea what you are talking about ...what a waste of space.

De nos prairies a vos ecuries disait mon pere !

Ne dites plus que vous etes Algerian c'est une honte rester Maricani it is good for you and good redance !

[Jugurten]

No you piece of khra, my family of those of many of us here created Algeria, or took away from the French for better not useless fat cows like you. The Kabyle people to whom I belong are peaceful people (we just have nothing in common, absolutely nothing) definately not with loosers like you going to Algeria as refugees and then taking jobs as military-killers, because those(army) don't even want to do it, but you provide a large pool of sick beasts, from which they can hire for 3 cents, so that they can steel billions with mecanisms such as Khalifa-XBlanchisserie. They take it away from the toureg, who are a disapearing ethnic group, that sooner or later the international community will realize and have to protect. It is coming to you the way it did to Iraq. It is inevitable, you keep agressing even those who try to help you. Yes, I settled in America like alomost every one else and enjoy it, and there moslims too (on leach) and things couldn't be better. My interest in ALgeria is indeed those of Kabylie, and the Toureg, the rest of you, especially cows should be fighting there in Iraq, American WOMEN and Men are waiting for you, bored...
If I ever set foot on that land that will to find cows like you. But the Army is hunting your asses every day, why don't go jihad, right there. or are you already in their payroll? Go to islam.com and bend there you might get lucky if an American GI stops by because those bearded asswholes you call brothres just don't it. So, if you behave you might get lucky and suck a jewish one. Your bottom FAT COW. go pray in a cave.

[Zina]

It is very sad at your age and all that America of yours could not teach you good manners..you are still the donky that grow up in a primitive enviroment we all know how you live in that kabylie of yours..el khazit, ya tafouhant

Go and wash your filthy mouth you son of harki no one is coming to us.

Me a fat cow ?! hahaha ..you only wish your ugly wify or sis could look like me ya labghal.

I'm drop them dead gorgeous working and living in Tokyo a place youu can only dream about. I have no one in my family in the goverment or the military..we are Algeria elites, we had a good education and we went abroad to be a good representatives of our country, unlike you who bring shame and embarrassment to Algeria !

I came as a refuge from where ? You have a sick mind go and find a shrink.

Algeia is my land since the begining of times.

You stay in there get help and shut your filth as no one is intersted in your stupidity and ignorance.
Yours is a lost cause go and cry for your bad karma.