Homosexual, and adoption.

[Princess_Diana]

Certain assumptions have been made here by forumists:

1) All gay people are child molesters. This is false.
2) All gay people practise sodomy. Again this is false.
3) All gay people are unfit parents, simply because they are gay. Again this is false.

Life is not all black or white. It is full of shades of grey. This includes gender. This is why life is so complex. If it were simple we would all be amoeba, or worse still, hydrogen atoms. Simple 'laws' based on superstition are insufficiently sophisticated to cope with the complexity of our lives. We need a 'better fit'. Polarised perspectives of morality do not provide that 'better fit'.

D

[Shotokan_Karate]

Salaam all,

Sorry, I don't intend to make this more of a religious discussion BUT...

I have to ask:

Why many non-muslims cannot differentiate between what some so-called-muslims do and what Islam is?

"Oh, Islam is this and that because some muslims do this and that"

What a dumb conclusion!!



PD - which bit of "truth" you're referring to:

A. That some muslims do it with boys? --> sure! This cannot be denied. There are BAD people in every community/group you can think of.

or

B. That Islam allows it with boys? --> That's nonsense and you know it!


Seems like distorted "truth" to me.



[Edited by Shotokan_Karate on 7th July 2004 at 18:12]

[Khokom]

Originally posted by Princess_Diana


Simple 'laws' based on superstition are insufficiently sophisticated to cope with the complexity of our lives. We need a 'better fit'. Polarised perspectives of morality do not provide that 'better fit'.

D

What is all this mumbo jumbo PD ? where do you keep gettin this from. Anyway, I agreed with you before, that I accept your contribution in this forum, and I really dont care if you contradict me or not.... but under the condition that you DO NOT insult and offend us in OUR forum.

You owe all the muslim forumists an apology for this irresponsible quote from you:

Originally posted by Princess_Diana


Also please note that Islam only forbids it between two men, not a man and a boy, which is why it is so widely practised in Islamic countries amongst men and boys.

Once we get that sorted we can then continue to discuss homosexuality without the mention of religions, as CPDR made it clear.

Yes you do hit a nerve when you insult us, because who are you to do that? Infact you did it without supporting it with textual evidence. I expect more from a woman at your age and level.

Khokom.

[shashi_kapoor]

Originally posted by Princess_Diana
bla bl abla bla bla bla
Once again, grow up, you've got a lot to learn.

Of course I have got a lot to learn I am still young, but not to accept freaky things, one day someone will tell us it's ok to abuse a child..

PD dez maahoum

[Princess_Diana]

Khokom - Are you operating under two aliases contrary to the rules of VCI? If not, then please do not address the comments I have made to Shashi Kapoor, as if addressed to you.

I have apologised in the past, where due, but on this occasion I do not agree with you. I do not think an apology is due. I will not apologise for telling the truth. The problem with so much of religious morality is that it is based on denial and self-deception. The truth is that men have a higher sex drive than women. The truth is that in Islamic countries the age of marriage is becoming later and later, because of the poverty. Men are not practising celibacy, as you seem to think. They are having sexual relationships out of marriage, but not with women, because the women are not available for this. You are in denial and self deluding if you think this is not the case. You are here in the UK, nice and comfortable. It's OK for you.

Also, referring to my post as 'mumbo jumbo' is just as 'insulting' if you like to put it that way, however I have not taken offence because I know that if that is your best line of debate, then you have clearly run out of ideas regarding the matter.

Whenever there is a situation where women are unavailable, (a good example of this is in prisons and the armed forces), the men have sex with each other. As a means of morally 'justifying' it to themselves, they do it with 'boys'. This is common knowledge. You just have to stop denying it.

To add insult to injury, the spread of HIV is then going to reach the women they later marry. No doubt we Western women will be 'blamed' for the spread of HIV in Algeria - this view has already been expressed by the religious authorities.

I just feel very sorry for these Algerian ladies who contract HIV through their selfish husbands.

D

[Edited by Princess_Diana on 7th July 2004 at 18:26]

[Shotokan_Karate]

Then it's:

A not B?

Oh, and because this does happen that makes it OK does it? What's your point PD?

[Khokom]

Right, lets get a few things clear then shall we?!

Khokom - Are you operating under two aliases contrary to the rules of VCI? If not, then please do not address the comments I have made to Shashi Kapoor, as if addressed to you.

Assumptions assumptions, no PD I am not using another alias and when you offend us and our religion I will address any comment in this forum since its my job to do so.

I will not apologise for telling the truth. The problem with so much of religious morality is that it is based on denial and self-deception. The truth is that men have a higher sex drive than women. The truth is that in Islamic countries the age of marriage is becoming later and later, because of the poverty.

What is the truth PD, that islam tells men to do it with children, is this your truth? You are allowed to criticize what muslims do but DO NOT criticize our religion because not all muslims follow Islam properly (Muslims by name).

Secondly, you refer to arab and muslim countries as Islamic countries. Lets explain this to you so you can tell the difference. A muslim country is where the majority of the population are muslims, an Islamic country is where a government rules by the word of Allah (Sharia Law).

Thirdly, like I said PD I dont give a damn what ppl get up to, I follow Islam not muslims there is a big difference, and it seems to me you are yet again generalising and puttin all muslims in a basket.

You are here in the UK, nice and comfortable. It's OK for you.


Yes I am in the UK and this is my country and I have every single right a british citizen has. I live nice and comfortable not because I am here but because I follow my religion. Alhamdoulilah. This really has nothing to do with the topic.

Also, referring to my post as 'mumbo jumbo' is just as 'insulting' if you like to put it that way, however I have not taken offence because I know that if that is your best line of debate, then you have clearly run out of ideas regarding the matter.

That mumbo jumbo is not your religion and thefore is not as "insulting". I have the right to argue your opinions and comments while abiding by the rules.

Whenever there is a situation where women are unavailable, (a good example of this is in prisons), the men have sex with each other. This is common knowledge. You just have to stop denying it.

Again I repeat the same thing PD, I dont give a damn what ppl do in prison, just DONT blame Islam and offend all of us here.


So you still deny that you offended us and you still refer to "Islam does not forbid a man and a boy having sex." as the truth?

On top of that you refuse to apologise. Ok PD you made it clear where you stand.

Khokom.

PS: What you gona do next, blame Islam for terrorism?