Fatwah can't silence 'warrior woman' poet

[Ruks]

making your citizens to wear the hijaab and force them to wear the seatbelt are from the exact same principle - its about protection, context is different, but same value.

LOL, its so amusing when someone says that they firmly believe in freedom of speech, firstly it doesn't actually doesn't exist anywhere in the world (unless your in the confines of your own home and not being monitored). secondly, whats the point in talking babble unless it benefits? i live in britain and there isn't freedom of speech in this country, even our rights to protest is being evaded bit by bit, everything a british muslim wants to write on his/her placard has to be approved by the police these days, otherwise you'll be in jail for speaking your thoughts - naturally the laws very rarely apply to any other group like the BNP.


what about the thousands of women in briton who live in fear of their lives? who is writing about them? and does it involve what they wear?


no wonder so many people are just fed up with liberal democracy (one rule for the rich and another for the others). does the BNP tell you that more people leave briton each year than coming in?

[_DigitaLVampirE_]

i live in britain and there isn't freedom of speech in this country, even our rights to protest is being evaded bit by bit, everything a british muslim wants to write on his/her placard has to be approved by the police these days, otherwise you'll be in jail for speaking your thoughts - naturally the laws very rarely apply to any other group like the BNP.

Heh, sounds like the country i live in, Singapore (You don't have to be a Muslim to feel the oppressiveness). Honestly, i'd think the British government was more liberal.

[voltaire]

making your citizens to wear the hijaab and force them to wear the seatbelt are from the exact same principle - its about protection, context is different, but same value.

No, it really is not the same. One stops you flying through a windscreen, the other is a cultural/religious tradition, which you're evidently in favour of forcing on people.



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[voltaire]

LOL, its so amusing when someone says that they firmly believe in freedom of speech, firstly it doesn't actually doesn't exist anywhere in the world (unless your in the confines of your own home and not being monitored). secondly, whats the point in talking babble unless it benefits? i live in britain and there isn't freedom of speech in this country, even our rights to protest is being evaded bit by bit, everything a british muslim wants to write on his/her placard has to be approved by the police these days, otherwise you'll be in jail for speaking your thoughts - naturally the laws very rarely apply to any other group like the BNP.


what about the thousands of women in briton who live in fear of their lives? who is writing about them? and does it involve what they wear?


no wonder so many people are just fed up with liberal democracy (one rule for the rich and another for the others). does the BNP tell you that more people leave briton each year than coming in?

Sorry, but the above is just nonsense. You're not being arrested for writing the above post, no one has sent you a death threat for doing so, there won't be riots in the streets over it either. Nobody will stone you to death, you won't be tortured by secret police. Ergo yes, of course you have more freedom of expression than people across vast tracts of the world, and you certainly have more than Taslima Nasreen is being allowed. Furthermore, it's a right that you're exercising at the same time as mocking it.

It's also, you will notice, illegal in the UK to take out a contract on someone's head and pay someone to kill them. Which again is something of a difference between the two situations that you might like to address.

It always creases me up to see people ranting and raving about the "evils" of liberal democracy from the comfort of their homes in London or Washington. The stench of rank hypocrisy in the discussion is so marked you can smell it a mile off. Where's the queue of pious religious revolutionaries and theocrats trying to up sticks and move permanently to Somalia or the Yemen, if "people are fed up with liberal democracy"? It doesn't exist, because religious extremism is a latter day version of student trotskyism - it's what middle class kids do to rebel against their parents before they grow up and get real jobs.

Now stop going "but what about this or that" other subject, you can't abjure a discussion on a particular abuse merely by pointing out that problems also exist elsewhere. Do you believe that it's OK for the woman to be issued a clerically-sanctioned death threat or not?

Incidentally, I couldn't care less what the BNP say. I have no interest in listening to fascists, of the political or religious variety.



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[Ruks]

ignorance. never discriminates against, race, faith culture or nationality- thats equality for you. LOLOLOL

[voltaire]

That comment doesn't mean anything; there's nothing I wrote that was "ignorant", and rather a lot that you wrote which, frankly, was.

So... let's ask again. What was your stance on the fatwa against Taslima Nasreen?



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[_DigitaLVampirE_]

there is always an agenda behind everything - its not just about wearing a cloth or not. anyone who thinks otherwise is really naive.

well in iraq - the womens' gruops are saying that life there is worse since the invasion for them - you take your circumstances and work with it.

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