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    amalgamate is offline Registered User
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    Don't let them eat cake, Saudi cleric says

    Don't let them eat cake, senior Saudi cleric says
    Religious figure denounces birthday parties as unwanted foreign influence
    Thurs., Sept. 4, 2008


    RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - When Hala al-Masaad invited her girlfriends over to celebrate her 18th birthday with cake and juice, the high school student was stepping into an unusual public debate. Is celebrating birthdays un-Islamic?

    Saudi Arabia's most senior Muslim cleric recently denounced birthday parties as an unwanted foreign influence, but another prominent cleric declared they were OK.

    That has left al-Masaad with mixed feelings about her low-key celebration last month. She loves birthday parties because they make her feel she has "moved from one stage of life to another."
    "But I sometimes feel I'm doing something haram," she said sheepishly, using the Arabic word for banned.

    No cake, no candles
    The Saudi ban on birthdays is in line with the strict interpretation of Islam followed by the conservative Wahhabi sect dominant in the kingdom. All Christian celebrations — and even most Muslim feasts celebrated elsewhere in the Islamic world — are prohibited as alien customs.

    Only the Muslim feasts of Eid al-Fitr, which marks the end of the holy fasting month of Ramadan, and Eid al-Adha, which concludes the annual pilgrimage to Mecca, are permitted.

    In many Muslim nations, including Egypt, Dubai, Lebanon and Iran, people routinely celebrate birthdays, especially for children. Among middle-class and affluent families, parties can be elaborate, with cakes, toys, clowns, ponies and many presents.

    What makes the latest controversy notable is that it started when a prominent cleric, Salman al-Audah, said on a popular satellite TV program last month that it was OK to mark birthdays and wedding anniversaries with parties as long as the Arabic word that describes the events — "eid," meaning feast — is not used.

    That prompted a quick denunciation by Saudi Arabia's grand mufti and top religious authority, Sheik Abdul-Aziz Al Sheik, who said such celebrations have no place in Islam and gave a list of foreign customs he finds unacceptable.

    "Christians have Mother's Day, an eid for trees, and an eid for every occasion," Al Sheik, who also heads the Presidency for Scientific Research and Religious Edicts, told the newspaper Al-Madina. "And on every birthday, candles are lit and food is given out."

    There is no question that the remarks by al-Audah, who is not employed by the country's religious establishment, contradicted several religious edicts by senior Saudi clerics over the years.

    One such ruling, by the previous mufti, Sheik Abdul-Aziz bin Baz, said Muslims should not emulate the West by celebrating birthdays — even that of the Prophet Muhammed, which is marked in most other Middle Eastern countries as a holiday.

    "It's not permissible to take part in them," he said. "Birthday parties are an innovation ... and people are in no need of innovations."

    Low-key celebrations
    Some Saudis worry the controversy will be used by conservative members of the religious establishment, including the religious police, as a green light to crack down on all celebrations.

    Despite the continuous edicts against such parties, it's not hard to find stores that cater to Saudis who celebrate birthdays, anniversaries or even Western holidays like Valentine's Day.

    Customers can browse albums showing birthday wall decorations, table settings and cakes, and order party bags with coloring books, pens and school supplies.

    One popular party game features a life-size papier-mache mannequin of a cartoon or storybook character, such as Cinderella — much like pinatas at children's parties in the West. To get at the gift hidden inside, children take turns hitting it with a stick.

    Buthaina Ba-Aqeel, 51, said she used to throw birthday parties at home for her children, but they were low-key and not on the same day the child was born — to avoid singling out one particular day during the year to celebrate.

    Even that would be too much for Riham Ahmed, a 20-year-old economics major. "It's enough to have two eids," she said. "My birthday is a normal day. Even my parents don't congratulate me."
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    gn4dz is offline Registered User
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    Point of view …

    Birthday party can be a good opportunity to gather the family ….we can do it with this ‘niyaa’, but we have to avoid ‘Israf’ that day.. I think this is the only problem…I know that there are many Islamic celebrations to be together…this day can just be added to give a call to my brother or my sister -especially if we are busy or absent- … preparing a surprise party to a member of a family and call every body to come is good thing to do too..it’s the same for ‘wedding anniversary’ it can be a day to put an end for good to a dispute or to receive a ‘diamond jewel’


    When I was child, one of my teachers was celebrating to each of us his birthday in the classroom..it was a good break for us to talk and joke with our teacher… he offered me a book I keep till now..it reminds me of the good teacher we had ...


    At the same time, I consider other celebrations like ‘valentine’ ‘as foreign influence’ where anybody can afford to say ‘I love you’ to even a ‘non Mahrem’…it’s clear that this is forbidden, and this is not from our culture …. most Arab countries especially in khaledj are celebrating this, all shops are in red that day … unfortunately we see nearly the same thing recent years in Algeria...

    What do you think about it?

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    what the heck.. if birthday's were haram then why do we celebrate mawlid al nabi... these saudi "clerics" need to get off the crack


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