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    Giovanni is offline Member
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    What Halal and HARAM is in Islam!!

    I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT ALL INFORMATION I POST IS BASED ON MY OPINIONS WHICH ARE BASED SOLY ON THE QURAN AND BIBLE.THE INFORMATION I GIVE HERE IS TO HELP PEOPLE REALISE THE WILL OF GOD"ALLAH" AND FOLLOWING HIS/HER WILL.NOT THE WILL OF MAN!THE INFORMATION I PROVIDE IS NOT MEANT TO INSULT ANYONE BUT RATHER TO SHOW WHAT THE QURAN AND BIBLE HAVE TO SAY ON THE TOPICS.
    I studied Islam for a period of about 7-8months. I actually almost converted to Islam. The reason for me leaving the Catholic church was because of the Man made laws. Islam has more MAN MADE doctorine than the catholic religion.
    The catholic religion Has given its own interpretation of what is "correct". Islam has a simular doctorine...mainly SUNNAH(the way of the Prophet) and Hadith(oral tradtions of mohamed pbuh)
    Personally I reject the Sunnah and hadith completly because it completly contradicts the Qur'an. Most things in the sunnah are not even koranic. I had many arguments with orthodox muslims about this. Here is information which may shock people.....
    THIS IS WHAT THE QURAN SAYS ABOUT HALA AND HARAM

    All lawful except the Things mentioned in Quran
    [5:1] O you who believe, you shall fulfill your covenants. Permitted for you to eat are the livestock, except those specifically prohibited herein. You shall not permit hunting throughout Hajj pilgrimage. GOD decrees whatever He wills.
    [6:119] Why should you not eat from that upon which GOD's name has been mentioned? He has detailed for you what is prohibited for you, unless you are forced. Indeed, many people mislead others with their personal opinions, without knowledge. Your Lord is fully aware of the transgressors.

    Seafood Lawful
    [5:96] Lawful to you is the pursuit Of water-game and its use For food, for the benefit Of yourselves and those who travel;but forbidden Is the pursuit of landgame As long as ye are In the sacred Precints Or in the state of pilgramiage And fear Allah, to whom Ye shall be gathered back.
    Do Not prohibit what is lawful
    [5:87] O you who believe, do not prohibit good things that are made lawful by GOD, and do not aggress; GOD dislikes the aggressors.
    [5:88] And eat from the good and lawful things that GOD has provided for you. You shall reverence GOD, in whom you are believers.
    What is prohibited
    [2:173] He only prohibits for you the eating of animals that die of themselves (without human interference), blood, the meat of pigs, and animals dedicated to other than GOD. If one is forced (to eat these), without being malicious or deliberate, he incurs no sin. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
    [5:3] Prohibited for you are animals that die of themselves, blood, the meat of pigs, and animals dedicated to other than GOD. (Animals that die of themselves include those) strangled, struck with an object, fallen from a height, gored, attacked by a wild animal - unless you save your animal before it dies - and animals sacrificed on altars. Also prohibited is dividing the meat through a game of chance; this is an abomination. Today, the disbelievers have given up concerning (the eradication of) your religion; do not fear them and fear Me instead. Today, I have completed your religion, perfected My blessing upon you, and I have decreed Submission as the religion for you. If one is forced by famine (to eat prohibited food), without being deliberately sinful, then GOD is Forgiver, Merciful.
    [5:4] They consult you concerning what is lawful for them; say, "Lawful for you are all good things, including what trained dogs and falcons catch for you." You train them according to GOD's teachings. You may eat what they catch for you, and mention GOD's name thereupon. You shall observe GOD. GOD is most efficient in reckoning.
    [5:5] Today, all good food is made lawful for you. The food of the people of the scripture is lawful for you. Also, you may marry the chaste women among the believers, as well as the chaste women among the followers of previous scripture, provided you pay them their due dowries. You shall maintain chastity, not committing adultery, nor taking secret lovers. Anyone who rejects faith, all his work will be in vain, and in the Hereafter he will be with the losers.
    [6:119] Why should you not eat from that upon which GOD's name has been mentioned? He has detailed for you what is prohibited for you, unless you are forced. Indeed, many people mislead others with their personal opinions, without knowledge. Your Lord is fully aware of the transgressors.


    NOTICE........ALL SEAFOOD IS LAWFUL......CLAMS IS SEAFOOD....SQUID IS SEAFOOD.....SHATRKS IS SEAFOOD....The SUNNAH PROHIBITS EATING THAT WHICH IS LAWFUL BY SAYING"whatever has no fins or scales is unlawful"NOT TRUE ACCORDING TO THE QURAN!WHY DOES THE SUNNAH CONTRADICT THE QURAN??

    NOW THAT IVE GIVEN THE READER(you) THE QURANIC AYAS AND SURAHS....HERE IS A LETTER IWROTE AND THE RESPONSE I GOT REGARDING IT....
    LETTER # 1
    THIS LETTER DEMONSTATES THAT PEOPLE TRY CHANGING THE QURAN TO FIT THIER OPINION OF HALA AND HARAM. MEAT IS HALA AS LONG AS YOU PRONOUNCE THE NAME OF ALLAH BEFORE EATING IT....IT IS NOT OBLIGATORY TO SLAUGHTER AND ANIMAL WHILE PRONOUNCING THE NAME OF ALLAH. MEAT THAT IS BOUGHT AT MC DONALDS IS HALA AS LONG AS 1) IT CONFORMS WITH SURAN 2:173 &2) IF THENAME OF ALLAH IS PRONOUCED BEFORE EATING....ORTHODOX MUSLIMS DONT AGREE....they say that "bismilah allah u ackbar" must be pronouced before slaughtering the animal....THAT IS FALSEAND HERE IS THE PROOF..IN MY LETTER


    I found the following Quote in the Qur'an in relations to Hala and Haram meat

    href="http://www.unn.ac.uk/societies/islamic/quran/noble/nobae006.htm">http://www.unn.ac.uk/societies/islamic/quran/noble/nobae006.htm

    Eat not (O believers) of that (meat) on which Allâh's Name has not been pronounced (at the time of the slaughtering of the animal), for sure it is Fisq (a sin and disobedience of Allâh). And certainly, the Shayâtin (devils) do inspire their friends (from mankind) to dispute with you, and if you obey them[] [by making Al*Maytatah (a dead animal) legal by eating it], then you would indeed be Mushrikûn (polytheists) [because they (devils and their friends) made lawful to you to eat that which Allâh has made unlawful to eat and you obeyed them by considering it lawful to eat, and by doing so you worshipped them, and to worship others besides Allâh is polytheism].

    Why is it that it says that Slaughtering without pronouncing the name of Allah is forbiden......but on your web site it says the opposite? It is written "not slaughtering"

    Thank you for your time in helping me understand hala and haram


    THIER RESPONSE......

    Salaam,The original Arabic Quran never had this sentence <<pronounced (at the
    time of the slaughtering of the animal>>
    This sentence is an addition by the transltor and is not the rule of
    the Quran that states we have to mention God's name on ANY food , not
    just meat BEFORE we eat it.

    IT DOES NOT SAY TO SLAUGHTER WHILE PRONOUCING THE NAME OF ALLAH TO MAKE IT HALAL.......THIS IS MAN MADE DOCTORINE ADDED TO THE QURAN.....What IS IN BRAKETS() WAS ADDED BY THE TRANSLATOR......HE WAS TWISTING THE WORDS OF ALLAH TO SUIT HIS OPINION.
    FOR MORE INFORMATION PLEAE CONTACT ME GIOVANNI.....at my email adress.........BISCIGLIA2@HOTMAIL.COM AND <submission_org@yahoo.com>

    THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM IN MY OPINION CAN BE FOUND AT
    http://www.submission.org/quran.html
    Ill BE POSTING MANY MORE ITEMS ON ISLAM'S MAN MADE LAWS AND ON CHRISTIANITY AND JUDAISM

    PLEASE CONTACT ME FOR INFORMATION I WILL BE GLAD TO HELP ANYONE
    SAALAM.....SHALOM...PEACE BE WITH YOU
    BISCIGLIA2@HOTAIL.COM

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    Brother there are a few things that you should be aware of when it come to these submitters. I have two sepearate bits of information that I recieved from others which I will reproduce here for your benifit.

    A New Cult Pretending to Be Islam
    >
    > The following are details about a new sect created in the 1970's. They
    > have a mish-mash of biblical/Quranic/made up beliefs.
    >
    > They insist that they are not Qadiani but support the view that Jesus
    > (Isa (as)) is dead and NOT coming back.
    >
    > They are actually WORSE than Qadiyanis and Bahais put together!! (At
    > least the Bahais have disassociatedfrom Islam & Muslims.
    >
    > The Web Site by 'Nadeem Quraishi' concerning Isa alaihissalaam not
    > coming back is one of their 'productions'.
    >
    > They have made the number 19 into a God! EVERYTHING depends on 19.
    > They believe in a new Messenger because of 19.
    > They change Islam because of 19
    > They remove verses from the Quran because of 19.
    > They have invented a new religion because of 19.
    >
    > They DISTORT/CHANGE the meanings of the words of the Quran to confuse
    > people and to make the Quran agree with their heretical views. They want
    > confused people to think that they know what they are talking about.(i.e.
    > that
    > they are clever, intelligent, wise etc). They do not show their true
    > beliefs
    > straightaway. This is so that the confused person does not get
    > frightened/disgusted and runs away from them. They constantly point to
    > APPARENT contradictions in the Hadith to place doubt into the hearts of
    > Muslims.
    >
    > This sect call themselves 'Submitters'. Based at 'Masjid' Tucson,
    > Arizona, USA.
    >
    > They have also been called Khalifites but it is suggested that we should
    > call them Tucsonis (or Tucsonites) and that their religion is Tucsonism.
    >
    > This is in keeping with the tradition of naming Heresies from their
    > places of birth (i.e Qadianism started from a place in India called Qadian
    > and
    > Tucsonism started in Tucson in Arizona USA)
    >
    > The word Khalifite, Khilafat or Khalif must NEVER be associted with
    > anything bad or evil such as Tucsonism.
    >
    > The OBLIGATION of implementing Khilafat must be stressed and repeatedly
    > mentioned because it frightens certain groups who wish to destroy its
    > very name.
    >
    > Hence their creation of 'Rashad Khalifa' Tucsoni to oppose the 'Khalifa
    > Rashida' (Rightly Guided Khalif).
    >
    > This Rashad Tucsoni started off by claiming to have discovered a
    > mathematical 'miracle' embedded in the Quran. Other muslims started to
    > sing his praises (inc. Ahmad Deedat who later disassociated himself from
    > Rashad Tucsoni) and he became well known.
    >
    > He later claimed that certain verses of the Quran did not produce the
    > required/desired mathematical results therefore these verses should be
    > removed from the Quran.
    >
    > Then he claimed to have visited Heaven and met all the Prophets and that
    > he (Rashad Tucsoni) is the Final Messenger of Allaah. (astaghfirullaah for
    >
    > even mentioning such blasphemies!!)
    >
    > He didn't stop there!! He went even further than Mirza Qadiani by
    > inventing a new religion!!! Details below.
    >
    > Their Beliefs are:
    > ------------------
    >
    > Only the 'Submitters' or Tucsonites are the true believers.
    >
    > ALL the other billions of Muslims since the companions time till today
    > are hypocrites and commit Shirk.
    >
    > Islam was corrupted immediately after the Prophet's (saw) death.
    >
    > The Hadith are ALL fabrications of Hypocrites & Idol worshippers & are
    > NOT to be followed.
    >
    > The Sunnah are silly Arab traditions and NOT to be followed.
    >
    > Islam has a "bizarre dietary system with multitudes of prohibitions"
    >
    > "Only the meat of pig is prohibited, not its fat. God does not prohibit
    > pigs, but prohibits only the meat of pigs."
    >
    > The Quran's authenticity can be proven by playing with the number of
    > letters, words, Surahs etc of the Quran by adding or multiplying them
    > together and then see if the resultant is divisible by the special
    > number '19'.
    >
    > THE TWO VERSES OF SURAH 9:128 AND 129 SPOIL THIS CALCULATION THEREFORE
    > THEY ARE REMOVED FROM THE QURAN.
    >
    > They claim that these 2 false verses in the Quran were introduced by
    > Uthman and the other scribes.
    >
    > Verses can be removed from one Surah and placed into another Surah to
    > produce the 'mathematical structure'.
    >
    > Jesus (Isa (as)) is dead and NOT coming back
    >
    > Muhammad's (saw) name is not to be invoked:
    >
    > In the Shahada (First Pillar)
    > In Tashahhud & Prayers (Second Pillar)
    > In the Azaan
    > In the Mosques
    >
    > Muhammad (saw) is the last Nabi...............but NOT the last Messenger
    >
    > (This is one of The Tucsonites favourite quotes. They will mention only
    > the first part to differentiate themselves from the Qadianis in order to
    > confuse Muslims)
    >
    > Rashad Khalifa Tucsoni(the apostate) is THE MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT.
    > (I.e. The Last, Best, Greatest who UNIFIES all religions and predicted
    > that the world will end in 2280 CE (1710 AH)- multiples of 19!!)
    >
    > Muhammad (saw) wrote down the Quran with his own hand.
    >
    > Satan is a 'fallen Angel'. All Jinns are 'fallen Angels'.
    >
    > ANYBODY, repeat ANYBODY who dies before the age of 40 WILL go straight
    > to heaven!! NO matter how wicked, evil, sinful they appear to be. Martin
    > Luther King is specifically mentioned as having died before 40
    > andtherefore
    > went straight to Heaven!!
    >
    > Circumcision is an abomination and must be stopped Women need NOT cover
    > head or wear veil. Gold & Silk are ALLOWED for Men
    >
    > Capital Punishment NOT allowed. A Murderer MUST only give money to
    > family of victim. The Thief's hand is NOT to be cut off. Only 'marked'.
    > (With a
    > pen?) Adulterers are NOT stoned to death.
    >
    > -------------------------------------------
    > Below are direct Quotes from their sources: You will
    > find these from their site at http://www.submission.org
    > They are are contained in about 38 Apendices which are
    > attached to their copy of the Quran.
    > -------------------------------------------
    >
    > Everything the "Muslims" do is wrong:
    >
    > The First Pillar (Shahaadah), the call to Salat prayer (Azan), the
    > ablution (Wudu), the daily Salat prayers, the Zakat charity, Hajj, and all
    > other
    > practices of Islam. "A Religion Never Authorized by God" (42:21)
    >
    > This Appendix presents physical,examinable,verifiable,and irrefutable
    > evidence that Rashad Khalifa is God's Messenger of the Covenant.
    >
    > Islam is NOT a name; it is a description of one's total submission
    > and devotion to God ALONE, without idolizing Jesus, Mary, Muhammad, or
    > the saints. Anyone who meets this criterion is a "Muslim"
    > (Submitter).
    > Therefore, one may be a Muslim Jew, a Muslim Christian, a
    > Muslim Hindu, a Muslim Buddhist, or Muslim Muslim.
    >
    > A messenger of God must present proof that he is God's messenger.
    > Every messenger of God is supported by incontrovertible divine
    > signs
    > proving that he is authorized by the Almighty to deliver His messages.
    > Moses threw down his staff and it turned into a serpent, Jesus
    > healed the leprous and revived the dead by God's leave, Saaleh's
    > sign
    > was the famous camel, Abraham walked out of the fire, and Muhammad's
    > miracle was the Quran (29:50-51).
    >
    > The Quran (3:81, 33:7, 33:40) and the Bible (Malachi 3:1-3) have
    > prophesied the advent of the consolidating messenger, God's
    > Messenger of the Covenant (they mean Rashad Khalifa!). It is only
    > befitting that a messenger with such a crucial mission must be
    > supported by the most powerful miracle (74:30-35). While the miracles of
    > previous
    > messengers were limited in time and place, God's miracle supporting
    > His Messenger of the Covenant is perpetual; it can be witnessed by
    > anyone, at anytime, in any place.
    >
    > We learn from the Quran, 33:40, that Muhammad was the last prophet
    > (Nabi), but not the last messenger (Rasoul):
    >
    > During my Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca, and before sunrise on Tuesday,
    > Zul-Hijjah 3, 1391, December 21, 1971, I, Rashad Khalifa, the soul,
    > the real person, not the body, was taken to some place in the universe
    > where
    > I was introduced to all the prophets as God's Messenger of the Covenant.
    >
    > I was not informed of the details and true significance of this event
    > until Ramadan 1408.
    >
    > What I witnessed, in sharp consciousness, was that I was sitting still,
    > while the prophets, one by one, came towards me, looked at my face,
    > then nodded their heads. God showed them to me as they had looked in
    >
    > this world, attired in their respective mode of dress. There was an
    > atmosphere of great awe, joy, and respect.
    >
    > Except for Abraham, none of the prophets was identified to me. I knew
    > that all the prophets were there, including Moses, Jesus, Muhammad,
    > Aaron,
    > David, Noah, and the rest. I believe that the reason for revealing
    > Abraham's identity was that I asked about him. I was taken aback by
    > the strong resemblance he had with my own family - myself, my father, my
    > uncles. It was the only time that I wondered, "Who is this prophet who
    > looks
    > like my relatives?" The answer came: "Abraham." No language was spoken.
    > All communication was done mentally.
    >
    > MY OWN EXPERIENCE
    >
    > When God's covenant with the prophets was fulfilled in accordance with
    > 3:81, I was taken to Heaven where the righteous live NOW (4:69). While my
    > body
    > was down here on earth, I was in the same Paradise of Adam & Eve.
    >
    > The mission of God's Messenger of the Covenant is to confirm existing
    > scriptures, purify them, and consolidate them into one divine message.
    > The Quran states that such a messenger is charged with restoring God's
    > message to its pristine purity, to lead the righteous believers - Jews,
    > Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, and others - out of
    > darkness into the light (5:19 & 65:11). He is to proclaim that Islam
    > (total submission to God) is the only religion acceptable by God (3:19).
    >
    > "Lo, I am sending my messenger to prepare the way before me; and
    > suddenly there will come to the temple the Lord whom you seek and the
    > messenger
    > of the covenant whom you desire. Yes, he is coming, says the Lord of
    > hosts. But who will endure the day of his coming? And who can stand when
    > he
    > appears? For he is like the refiner's fire, or like the fuller's lye."
    > [Malachi 3:1-2]
    >
    > The name of God's Messenger of the Covenant is mathematically coded
    > into the Quran as "Rashad Khalifa." This is certainly the most
    > appropriate
    > method of introducing God's messenger to the world in the computer-age.
    >
    > (14) The Quran specifies three messengers of Islam (Submission):
    >
    > Abraham delivered all the practices of Islam. The value of his name
    > =
    > 258
    >
    > Muhammad delivered the Quran. The value of his name = 92
    >
    > Rashad delivered Islam's proof of authenticity. The value of his name =
    > 505
    >
    > Total gematrical value of the 3 names = 258+92+505 = 855.
    >
    > (19x45)
    >
    > The true Judaism, Christianity, and Islam will be consolidated into
    > one religion - complete submission and absolute devotion to God ALONE.
    >
    > The existing religions, including Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are
    > severely corrupted and will simply die out (9:33, 48:28, 61:9).
    >
    > Verse 3:81 which refers specifically to the messenger of the Covenant:
    >
    > "A messenger will come to you, confirming what you have," in Arabic:
    >
    > "JAA'AKUM RASOOLUN MUSADDIQUN LEMAA MA`AKUM"
    >
    > we find that the gematrical value of this key phrase is 836, 19x44.
    >
    > "Surely, You Are One of the Messengers" (36:3)
    >
    > (21) I was told most assertively, through the angel Gabriel, that
    > Verse 3 of Sura 36 refers specifically to me. If we arrange the initialed
    > suras
    > only, starting with Sura 2, then Sura 3, then Sura 7, and so on, we
    > find that Sura 36, Ya Seen, occupies position number 19.
    >
    > (22) Verse 3 of Sura 36 says, "Surely, you are one of the messengers."
    > The gematrical value of this phrase is 612. By adding this value
    > (612), plus the sura number (36), plus the verse number (3), plus the
    > gematrical value of "Rashad Khalifa" (505+725), we get 36+3+612+505 +725
    > =1881 = 19x99.
    >
    > Those who disbelieved among the people of the scripture
    > (Jews,Christians, Muslims), and the idolators, will not believe, despite
    > the profound sign given to them. [98:1]
    >
    > A messenger from God, reciting Sacred Scriptures. [98:2]
    >
    > (35) It is noteworthy that the word "Bayyinah," which means "Profound
    > Sign," and is the title of Sura 98, occurs in the Quran 19 times. This
    > is another mathematical confirmation that the Quran's proof of divine
    > authorship is based on the prime number 19, and that "Rashad Khalifa"
    > is the messenger in 98:2.
    >
    > In Appendix 25, evidence (19x19x15) is presented that Rashad Khalifa
    > was blessed with unveiling the End of the World, in accordance with
    > 72:27.
    >
    > The following is a list of the principal duties of God's Messenger of
    > the Covenant:
    >
    > 1. Unveil and proclaim the Quran's mathematical miracle (Appendix 1).
    >
    > 2. Expose and remove the two false verses 9:128-129 from the Quran
    > (Appendix 24).
    >
    > "the false injections 9:128-129
    > "[10] The INDEX lists 22 occurrences of the word "
    > `Arsh" (Throne). After removing the false injection 9:129, and the "`Arsh"
    > of Joseph which occurs in 12:100, and the " `Arsh" of the Queen of Sheba
    > (27:23), we end up with 19 " `Arsh" words. This proves that the word "
    > `Arsh" of 9:129 does not belong in the Quran.
    >
    > 3. Explain the purpose of our lives; why we are here (Appendix 7).
    >
    > 4. Proclaim one religion for all the people, and point out and purge away
    > all the corruptions afflicting Judaism, Christianity, and Islam
    > (Appendices 13, 15, 19).
    >
    > 5. Proclaim that Zakat (obligatory charity) is a prerequisite for
    > redemption
    > (7:156), and explain the correct method of observing Zakat (Appendix
    > 5).
    >
    > 6. Unveil the end of the world (Appendix 25).
    >
    > 7. Proclaim that those who die before the age of 40 go to Heaven
    > (Appendix 32).
    >
    > 8. Explain Jesus' death (Appendix 22).
    >
    > 9. Explain the Quran's delivery to, then through Muhammad (Appendix 28).
    >
    > 10. Announce that Muhammad wrote God's revelations (the Quran) with his
    > own hand (Appendix 28).
    >
    > 11. Explain why most believers in God do not make it to Heaven (Appendix
    > 27).
    >
    > 12. Proclaim that God never ordered Abraham to kill his son (Appendix
    > 9).
    >
    > 13. Proclaim the secret of perfect happiness (Introduction, xx).
    >
    > 14. Establish a criminal justice system (Appendix 37).
    >
    > God's Messenger of the Covenant Destined to Purify the Quran
    >
    > [66] Finally, in a profound demonstration of the foreknowledge of the
    > Almighty Author of the Quran, it is mathematically coded that "The
    > person destined to prove that Sura 9 consists of 127 verses is Rashad
    > Khalifa,
    >
    > God's Messenger of the Covenant"
    >
    > I acknowledge with thanks the valuable contributions of Mahmoud ³ ³
    > Ali Abib, Gatut Adisoma, Abdullah Arik, Ihsan Ramadan, Lisa Spray, ³ ³ and
    >
    > Edip Yuksel. Some of the astounding mathematical facts ³ ³
    > presented
    > in this Appendix were discovered by these hard working ³ ³ researchers
    > at
    > Masjid Tucson.
    >
    > End of Quotes.
    >
    > Helped by such 'researchers' some of whom even 'discovered' better
    > 'miracles' (i.e. bigger numbers divisible by 19!!) than their
    > 'messenger'.
    >
    > Note 'Edip Yuksel' is supposed to have translated the Quran into Turkish
    > and Kurdish. Please make people aware of the beliefs of these people.
    >
    > One may add the names of 'Nadeem Quraishi' - author of web page about
    > Jesus being dead and 'Niaz Aziz' who hangs around Chat rooms trying to
    > confuse
    > people by telling half truths in order to gain converts to their because.
    > It
    > may even be one person using different names.
    >
    > Their websites are http://www.moslem.org and http://www.submission.org (there are
    > others also) The above information is from their appendices to the text
    > version of the downloadable Quran. Needless to say, BE CAREFUL!!! The
    > site looks very nice & Islamic BUT contains pure KUFR.
    >
    > It is obviously a creation by people who fear Islam and wish to distort
    > it from within. After their failures with Bahaism, Qadianism, Arabism,
    > Secularism and all other sects that have tried to change classical
    > Islam, Tucsonism is another attempt. Another experiment.
    >
    > This sect targets individuals & groups to convert them to their way of
    > thinking.

    Kassim Ahmad targets Malaysia (Bandaraya Tanjung, Pulau Pinang - Malaysia)
    Edip Yuksel targets Turkey


    The following are their works:


    IN TURKISH


    Kuran En Büyük Mucize /Quran, the Greatest Miracle (Inkilab, Fatih-Istanbul, 1983-88, 16 editions, 204 p.)

    Yusuf'un 40. Emri /The 40th Commandment of Joseph (Poetry) (Madve, Cagaloglu-Istanbul, 1984, 72 p.)

    Kitab-i Mukaddes Allah Sözü müdür?Is The Bible God's Word? (Inkilab, Fatih-Istanbul, 1984, 164 p.)

    Kuran'da Demirin Kimyasal Esrari/Chemical Secrets of Iron in the Quran. (Timas, Cagaloglu-Istanbul, 1984, 48 p.)

    Kuran Görülen Mucize/Quran: The Visual Miracle (Timas, Cagaloglu-Istanbul, 1985, 308 p.)

    Ilginç Sorular-1/ Interesting Questions-1
    (Inkilab, Fatih-Ist., 1985-1987, 8 editions, 214 p.) (Beyan, Cagaloglu-Istanbul, 1988, 9th edition, 214p.)

    Ilginç Sorular-2/ Interesting Questions-2
    (Yüzondört, Fatih-Istanbul, 1987, 190 p.) (Beyan, Cagaloglu-Istanbul, 1988, 2-3 editions, 190 p.)

    Kitap Okumanin Zararlari/ Books Are Dangerous (20%Humor) (Beyan, Cagaloglu-Istanbul, 1988, 106 p.)

    Sakincali Yazilar/Censored Columns
    (Devlet, Cagaloglu-Istanbul, 1989, 2 editions,100 p.)

    Müslüman Din Adamlarina 19 Soru/ 19 Q. For Muslim Clergy (Gösterge, Erenköy-Istanbul, 1992, 72 p.)

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    Question: I have recently been approached by a friend who sayd that he is a pro Ahsanal Hadiis. They believe that the Quran contains everything there is to know about Islam and there should not be recourse to the Hadiis and Sunnah. They assert that the Hadiths contains numerous errors and cannot be relied upon. They also assert that although Prophet Muhammad(saw) was the last prophet. He is not the last messenger. They rely much on the translation of the Quran by Rashad Khalifa who state that the Quran contains a miracle in the number 19. I would greatly appreciate if you can give your opinion on this group and it would be very useful if you can guide me to books, sites or whatever that will show me the fallacy of their arguments.

    Answer: Dear H. As-salaamu alaykum. The fallacy of their argument is embedded within their own words. Such groups are extremely dangerous and far from being close to Islam. It is sufficient to pinpoint to the following verses of the Qur'an (which they claim is the only authentic source) to prove how wrong they are: Surah al-Imran (3) verses 32, 132, Surah an-Nisa' (4) verses 59 and 64 Surah al-Maidah (5) verse 92, Surah al-Anfal (8) verses 1, 20, 46, Surah Taha (20) verse 90, Surha an-Nour (24) verses 54, 56, Surah ash-Shuara' (26) verses 108, 110, 126, 131, 144, 150, 163, 179, Surah Muhammad (47) verse 32, etcÉ These and other examples are proofs that a person claiming to be a Muslim is actually a Kafir if he doesn't follow the Hadith of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). In addition, believing that he is not the last messenger is another apostasy and act of belief. Such groups always appear in times when Muslims are not united, but soon they vanish because Allah will protect Islam. Thank you for asking and God knows best.

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    Um Tarek,
    Jazaki Allah kharan for the unvaluable information regarding the new Jahannam feed. Thank you very much.

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    Ms. Satan,

    Your idiocities are unmatched by yourself and this Giovanni tusconite. Both of you should know the truth sooner rather than later.

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    Giovanni,

    My friend I guess it is only fair enough if I call you a LIAR. You are as good to Satan as nonson. You posted lies and you claims are lies. You have no clue of the Quran nor the Sunnah of the prophet when you claim there are contradictions. You claim that everything is in the Quran therefore no need for the sunnah. Do you perform prayers? If so how did you know how to pray? Do you perform salat al Janazah? If so how did you know about it?
    Now I have picture on your 666 number false prophet theory. My advice to you: Learn Islam from its source instead of following a wakko who claims that he is I do not know what and if he is what he is where is his new book?
    Get lost and find a useful thing to do with your life.

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    Pinochio, Shu*t up.

    Your blabber is really just a waste of space.
    And don't talk about sexual fullfilment, you don't get any and it makes you mad...that's why you come here and try to let out that anger by spreading nonsense.

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