Dear Nonson :
Your quote's very cool man !
Inspired by your saying, why don't we talk about young women than arguing or comparing holy scriptures ?
Because some people could take the arguments wisely, but the other's not! Then feel of anger or hate grows in your heart, and it is very bad at all!
By the way I like all of you, all of you!!
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30th April 2001 18:54 #8
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30th April 2001 21:44 #9
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Mr. Giovanni,
You wrote:" Yes I do preform prayers. 3 times daily."
Where in your bible you find to pray only 3 times?
" The 5 times a day thing is made up. WHERE IS IS IT WRITEN IN THE QURAN?ITS NOT its only in SUNNAH AND
HADITH."
You have to understand that Islam is: QURAN AND SUNNAT because sunnat are deeds of the prophet Mohamed(pbh) to show what Islam is. Quran does not mention how to pray or the times of the 5 prescribed prayers. Archangel Gabriel was Imam and guided the prayers to show the prophet Mohamed (pbh) how to pray and in his turn the prophet of Allah showed muslims how to pray, the timing of prayers and how to pray.
"When I pray I PRAY TO GOD and ask everything through my LORD JESUS CHRIST MY SAVIOR , FOR THE SCRIPTURES SAYS " anything you
shall ask in my name you shall recieve"(i pray as a CHRISTIAN)"
You are not praying for God, You are praying for Jesus and not God. The arab pagans used to do the same things: they used to pray to idols as intermediaries to Allah. Muslims pray to Allah DIRECTLY and no intermediaries are accepted because it is called "shirk" or associating partners with Allah. Jesus, the son of Mary (pbof them) is a prophet of Allah and he is innocent of what is being invoked/claimed on his behalf. Allah say in the holy Quran" If my creators asked you about me, I am CLOSE answering their supplecations, let me answer my call in order to be guided"
" Wudu is not required before prayer. Only purity of the Heart. ANSWER ME THIS... A man wants to drink from a SILVER JUG. In it is rat poison. He is able to
make the silver shine by using chemicals, but he doesnt take out the RAT POISON.(ALL HE DOES IS CLEAN THE OUTSIDE OF THE JUG NOT INSIDE)
Does the fact that the SILVER shines make WHATS IN THE JUG FIT TO DRINK? NO!! THE same for prayer. Ckean the inside of your heart first.....then you
are "ritually clean"
By performing WUDU or BATHING YOURSELF before you pray...ALL THAT DOES IS WET YOUR BODY. CLEAN INSIDE. This is what I FIND WIERD
ABOUT MUSLIMS....you guys love to be PHYSICALLY CLEAN...YET YOU DONT REALIZE WHAT SPIRITUALLY CLEAN MEANS!
Why do YOU THINK GOD LOVES THE POOR? BECAUSE THEY HAVENT WASHED THEMSELVES AND SMELL BAD?NO!! BECAUSE THEY ARE CLEAN
OF HEART! THEY ARE MORE WORTHY of entering paradice then 95%of the world. IM NOT WORTHY OF EVEN WEARING THEIR SANDALS!"
Cleaneness is quintessential in Islam, not only physical but spiritual. I do not understand your position on this issue. If you were invited to visit a friend of yours to have dinner in his place, I wonder if you would take a shower/clean yourself or not? A mosque is Allah's house and we are guests at his house and the least I can do is to clean myself. (brother Kaz has good points on this issue).
" I will not leave.I WILL CONTINUE TO POST MY OPINIONS.I post them to show people what is in the QURAN and BIBLE."
You do not have a knowledge of the Quran, please do claim that you know the Quran. You are welcome to post whatever you want on the Quran as long as you DO NOT ALTER the meaning of the Quran. (I will monitor how trusworthy to yourself you will be)
" I lived by the QURAN for 8months...ANd I realized that its NOT THE WORD OF GOD. To many things dont add up. "
I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROOVE TO US WHAT DID NOT ADD UP?
" Why was lucifer(the angel who became IBLISS) banished from heaven?According to the Quran, because he didnt "prostrate himself" before the creation of
GOD.Does that make sense to you? YOU guyys always say your so faithful....SUBMITING TO ALLAH...yet you feel its right for an ANGEL to prostrste
himself before a being OTHER THAN ALLAH! THE QURAN IS WRONG ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE!
DO YOU KNOW WHY HE WAS BANISHED? HE WANTED TO BE WORSHIPED AND TAKE THE THRONE OF GOD.WHY? BECAUSE HE WAS THE MOST
BEAUTIFUL OF ALL THE ANGELS IN HEAVEN.THATS WHY HE WAS BANISHED!"
Lucifer has never been an angel, he was amongst the Jinn who adhored Allah and pleased Allah so much that Allah elevated him to the rank of angels. Allah created Adam and asked the angles to bow to Adam as a test and also the angels did bow to the majesty and will of Allah. Your story of Lucifer trying to be God does not make sense at all. How would you like an angel who know the will and power of his creator try to steal his place??????
" ILL quote some more things which sunnah and hadith contradict QURAN. THEN ill quote the BIBLE to show you why its wrong.Ill be posting that soon."
I will be waiting. I will see what you come up with. The bible does not make sense for anyone who uses his BRAIN.
" In the mean time here are some relevent BIBLICAl quotations
You say the ANGEL GABRIEL is responsible for the deliverance of the QURAN. HERe is why I REJECT THAT:
2 Corinthians 11:14
No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light
The Quran makes cetain foods unlawful. EVERYTHING IS LAWFUL. When Christ and his apostles made it clear:
1Timothy 4:1-5
But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,by means of the
hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron,men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from certain foods which God has
created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received
with gratitude;for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer.
WHY WUDU BEFORE PRAYER IS USELESS!ITS THE HEART THAT MUST BE CLEAN!
Matthew 15:10-20
After Jesus called the crowd to Him, He said to them, "Hear and understand."It is not what enters into the mouth that makes him ritually unclean, rather, what
proceeds out of the mouth, makes him unclean.."Then the disciples came and said to Him, "Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard
this statement?"But He answered and said, "Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant shall be uprooted."Let them alone; they are blind guides of the
blind. And if a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit."Peter said to Him, "Explain the parable to us."Jesus said, "Are you still lacking in
understanding also?"Do you not understand that everything that goes into the mouth passes into the stomach, and is eliminated?"But the things that proceed
out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man."For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false
witness, slanders."These are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the man."
WHY YOU SHOULD FOLLOW ONLY GOD"s LAWS WHEN WORSHIPING HIM!
Matthew 15:8-9
Then some Pharisees and scribes *came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said,"Why do Your disciples break the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash
their hands when they eat bread."And He answered and said to them, "Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your
tradition?"For God said, 'HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER,' and, 'HE WHO SPEAKS EVIL OF FATHER OR MOTHER IS TO BE PUT TO DEATH.'"But
you say, 'Whoever says to his father or mother, "Whatever I have that would help you has been given to God,"he is not to honor his father or his mother.' And
by this you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition."You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you: these PEOPLE, Says GOD
HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME.'BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME,because they teach mam-made rules
as though they were my laws!”
I hope this answers some of your QUEATIONS. If you have more questions please DON T HESITATE to ansk away. I would be glad to answer you.
Ill be posting more things regarding the SUnnah and Hadith and why it contradits the QURAN.....And on WHat being RITUALLY CLEAN MEANS"
Who told you that what is in the bible is un-altered? Where is the orginal bible? In which language was it written? Is it one bible or bibles? Who did see Jesus (pbh) from the 4 canon writers? none of course......and the list goes on.
Remember Allah does only guide those to strive to know Him and that He is pleased with.
" SAALAM"
SALAAM.
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30th April 2001 22:43 #10
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is that so? that's news to me.
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1st May 2001 13:13 #11
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Nonsense,
You sound awfully desperate and deprived.
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1st May 2001 15:43 #12
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Well, I always believed that I am was the sole cause for my own pleasure and hapiness. I create happiness for my myself, with the guidance of my God, which I hate to break it to you, I don't think that it is you Sir.







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