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    Saudi scholar finds ancient women's rights


    RIYADH, April 30, 2008 (Reuters) - When clerics, ministers and businessmen gathered at a forum in Riyadh last month to discuss women in the workplace, there were no women in sight.

    Typically for Saudi Arabia, the women who took part were seated in a separate room so the men could only hear them.

    Such oddities are part and parcel of the complex system of social control maintained by clerics of Saudi Arabia's austere version of Sunni Islamic law, often termed Wahhabism. It's a system called into question by scholar Hatoon al-Fassi.

    In her study, Women In Pre-Islamic Arabia, the outspoken rights advocate argues women in the pre-Islamic period enjoyed considerable rights in the Nabataean state, an urban Arabian kingdom centered in modern Jordan, south Syria and northwest Saudi Arabia during the Roman empire.

    Most controversially, Fassi says women in Nabataea - whose capital was the famous rose-red city of Petra in south Jordan and which was at its height during the lifetime of Jesus Christ - enjoyed more freedom than in Saudi Arabia today because clerics have misunderstood the origins of Islamic law.

    She also suggests some Saudi restrictions on women may have their origins in Greco-Roman traditions.

    "One of the objectives of this book is to question the assumption of subordination of women in pre-Islamic Arabia," Fassi writes. "Most of the practices related to women's status are based on some local traditional practices that are not necessarily Islamic. Nor are they essentially Arabian."

    She argues women in Nabataea were free to conduct legal contracts in their own name with no male guardian, unlike in Greek and Roman law, and in Saudi Arabia where the guardian is central to the clerics' idea of a moral public sphere.

    The Wahhabi interpretation of sharia requires a "muhrim" - father, husband, brother or son - to accompany women in public, allow them to travel and attest their legal contracts.

    U.S.-based Human Rights Watch attacked that system in a report in April as treating women as effectively legal minors.

    At last month's televised "National Dialogue", clerics insisted women could work only in segregated female-only workspaces. Their opponents in government say these rules have kept unemployment among women at around 26 percent.

    "I found that with Nabataean women the legal status and self representation was stronger and more evident than with Greek women who needed always a 'tutor', or representative, in order to conclude any contract," Fassi said in an interview.

    "An adaptation of Greek and Roman laws was inserted in Islamic law," she said, referring to guardianship. "I would insist that it's an ancient adaptation, that (Muslim) scholars are not aware of, and they would really be shocked."

    The main schools of sharia were codified in the 9th century AD in territories where a ruling Arab elite mixed with non-Arab and non-Muslim populations in the aftermath of the Arab conquests and the rise of Islam in the 7th century AD.

    The main body of the law is derived mainly from oral traditions attributed to the Prophet Mohammad, and viewed by Islamic scholars as divine in origin. Scholars in the West have seen, in effect, a mix of Arabian, Jewish and Roman origins.

    "The argument about Greco-Roman law having influenced the sharia rules about women could have some basis if one thinks in terms of Middle Eastern adaptations - 'provincial versions' - of Greco-Roman law," said Gerald Hawting, a historian of early Islam at the School of Oriental and African Studies in London.

    Fassi, he said, "is not likely to win many friends among the traditional ulama (scholars) by arguing that important elements of the sharia originate from human history and not from God".

    Fassi's ideas reflect views often expressed by Arab liberals - that restrictive traditions in the empires conquered by the Arabs found their way into Islam. Egyptian feminist Nawal al-Saadawi, for one, has often been attacked for saying as much.

    "The deterioration in women's status is clear. We now live the worst status imaginable as women," said Fawziya al-Oyouni, a women's rights activist who lobbies for women's right to drive. "There is no religious text that stipulates 'guardianship'."

    Signs are [that] around 2,000 years ago things were not so strict.

    Using coins and inscriptions on Nabataean tombs and monuments in Greek and Semitic languages, Fassi surmises that women's independent status was linked to a rise in trade and political exchanges in the ancient world at the time.

    "There was a certain economic change in that period that allowed women to become stronger or more visible," she said. "I believe it was because of the economic absence of men ... At the end of the first century BC the caravan trade became intensive, twice a year rather than once in the previous millennium."

    The last of the Middle East states to fall to direct Roman rule in 106 AD, the Nabataean confederation's power was based on desert trade routes from Yemen to Greece and Rome.

    Nabataean queens had coins struck in their name and showing their face, with light hair-covering veils. Today, Saudi clerics expound at length on television and in other forums on the complex rules over when women can and cannot reveal their faces.

    An urbanized Bedouin state, Nabataea has received relatively little attention from scholars, some of whom question whether it was authentically Arab. Petra was even forgotten to history until "discovered" in 1812 by Swiss explorer Johann Burckhardt.

    Fassi, banned from teaching at King Saud University since 2001, suggested one reason for the neglect was that Nabataea defies stereotypes about Arabs.

    "(Nabataea) has weakened the idea that Arabians were merely or essentially nomads, by having an Arabian urbanized state," she says in her book, published by British Archaeological Reports.


    Riyadh, April 20, 2008:
    Hatoon Ajwad al-Fassi, author of "Women in Pre-Islamic Arabia: Nabataea"
    smiles with her family during an interview at her residence

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    finds? i didn't know that they were hidden in the first place... more like STOLEN!!

    more power to her, though... we need more rebellious women


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    The Wahhabi interpretation of sharia requires a "muhrim" - father, husband, brother or son - to accompany women in public, allow them to travel and attest their legal contracts.
    i thought that was the general idea about going to hajj, not about politics?
    this is a real silly question but what's the difference between wahabism and sunnism?
    In the Qur'an, Allah says:

    "When My servants ask about Me, I am indeed close to them. I listen to the prayer of every supplicant, when he calls on Me.
    Let them also, with a will, listen to My call, and believe in Me, so that they may walk in the right way" (Qur'an 2:186).

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    wahabism = extremism

    sunnism = chillaxism


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    what do wahabis believe in
    In the Qur'an, Allah says:

    "When My servants ask about Me, I am indeed close to them. I listen to the prayer of every supplicant, when he calls on Me.
    Let them also, with a will, listen to My call, and believe in Me, so that they may walk in the right way" (Qur'an 2:186).

    تحيا مولودية الجزائر

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    supposedly the same thing that sunnis believe in but a much more... hardcore version, w/ 70% more haram/forbidden things


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    I haven't had the chance to run into a Wahabi yet!
    In the Qur'an, Allah says:

    "When My servants ask about Me, I am indeed close to them. I listen to the prayer of every supplicant, when he calls on Me.
    Let them also, with a will, listen to My call, and believe in Me, so that they may walk in the right way" (Qur'an 2:186).

    تحيا مولودية الجزائر

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