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    im not sure if this belongs in the religion section .

    can anyone tell me why anyone in this day in age would not believe that the jews are leaving the gaza?

    i ran into someone who doesnt believe it.
    its in the news, the papers, the radio.

    how can this be seen as a hoax?

    does anyone else share this view?

  • #2
    try moving the thread to the open forum for an answer
    my opinion is that only Sharon has the answer. having 5000 people living an area of over 2 milliions refugees is hardly worth mentioning . the west are making it sound like Israel has left Palistine. the reality is they have only left a little spot in the ocean of Palistinian land
    but first step is good still

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    • #3
      This is real: Gaza is being vacated for Arabs to move in and resettle there.

      Historically, Gaza was inhabited by Philistines, the traditional enemies of Israelites.

      Samson and Delilah, where Samson lost his power (Judges 16).

      David and Goliath (A Philistine) (1 Samuel 17).

      ------------------------------------------------------

      George Bush is willing to provide substantial financial aid to Palestinians if voilence is curbed and the officials can establish some reform to prevent corruption -- because under Yasser Arafat millions of dollars disappeared without benefitting Palestinians: his wife is now a millionaire with a nice nest in Paris.
      THERE IS NO SALVATION IN RELIGION.

      "Unless you are 'born' again, you can never get into the kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

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      • #4
        thanks for getting back to me on that.

        yeah.. i saw property being bulldozed that was built illegally there.

        i dont know why a muslim man wouldnt believe it is happening. i am still baffled over it.

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        • #5
          HARD TO BELEIVE

          Originally posted by dizzy_wizzy
          im not sure if this belongs in the religion section .

          can anyone tell me why anyone in this day in age would not believe that the jews are leaving the gaza?

          i ran into someone who doesnt believe it.
          its in the news, the papers, the radio.

          how can this be seen as a hoax?

          does anyone else share this view?
          Saha Dizzy
          Im not suprised, because these palastinians has got a millions of promises, they have beleived than nothing happend, so they stop beleiving in any thing even if it is a true, also what nodays is shown in TV is mostly propaganda, because as Truth said for few seatlers the media are speaking as the palastinians problem is solved, and in reality at the same time Sharon declare that he will build nes seatler in the west.bank and US already gurantte a credit of 2,2 Billions for Israil, SO WHY TO BELEIVE such a propaganda?

          F-
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          A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
          By: George Bernard Shaw

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          • #6
            sharon already said no withdrawals r planned from another place than Gazza. I see in this action 2 major benefits for Israel and a big challenge for the palestinian authority.
            benefits:
            1-Gazza colonies were the unsafest and thus the most costly to protect. Withdrawal means less expenses for israeli gov.
            2-Gazza withdrawal is given and believed by the europe and US as an answer to palestinians "terror" actions. This puts the ball in palestinian ground and any new action will proves palestinian gov is powerless and palestinian people are the ones who block peace... and this is the challenge to palestinian gov.

            Now we can see the dream of great israel going away, but is it forever?

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            • #7
              Re: HARD TO BELEIVE


              but it is happening. they are pulling out of gaza!
              what the news is showing is not propaganda on this issue.

              sharon never said he would pull out of west bank so i wasnt expecting him to.

              i agree with phyly when he said its in the palestinians court. all eyes are on them. i hope they behave themselves.

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              • #8
                Salam ~DW~

                Do you want me to move this thread to the Open Board, so you get more responses to your thread ?

                Wa Salam

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                • #9
                  It's nothing, they are just withdrawing from a small land. It's like someone stealing you £100 then returning you £1 and saying that they are doing something good!

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                  • #10


                    Assalam alaikoum all,

                    Superb article from today's The Guardian :

                    The settlers' retreat was the theatre of the cynical

                    There was no 'sensitivity training' when bulldozers went into Rafah

                    Jonathan Steele
                    Friday August 19, 2005
                    The Guardian


                    Contrast the world's overwhelming coverage, especially on television, of the departure of Israeli settlers from Gaza with the minimal reporting of larger and more brutal evictions in previous months.

                    There was no "sensitivity training" for Israeli troops, no buses to drive the expellees away, no generous deadlines to get ready, no compensation packages for their homes, and no promise of government-subsidised alternative housing when the bulldozers went into Rafah.

                    Within sight of the Gush Katif settlements that have been handled with such kid gloves this week, families in Rafah were usually given a maximum of five minutes' warning before their houses, and life savings, were crushed. Many people did not even have time to go upstairs to collect belongings when the barking of loudspeakers ordered them out, sometimes before dawn. Fleeing with their children in the night, they risked being shot if they turned round or delayed.

                    As many as 13,350 Palestinians were made homeless in the Gaza Strip in the first 10 months of last year by Israel's giant armour-plated Caterpillar bulldozers - a total that easily exceeds the 8,500 leaving Israeli settlements this week. In Rafah alone, according to figures from the UN relief agency Unrwa, the rate of house demolitions rose from 15 per month in 2002 to 77 per month between January and October 2004.
                    Parts of Rafah now resemble areas of Kabul or Grozny. Facing Israeli army watchtowers and the concrete wall that runs close to the Gaza Strip's boundary, rows of rubble and ruined homes stretch for hundreds of yards.

                    The house where I stayed three years ago, which was then one row back from the frontline, has gone. So have three more lines of houses behind it, thanks to Israel's remorseless policy of clearing the zone for "security" reasons even after Ariel Sharon announced his plan to leave Gaza.

                    Palestinians who visit the ruins or try to use one or two rooms that survived the onslaught risk their lives from Israeli bullets. A warning shot rang out as one homeowner took me on to his roof in broad daylight last month to survey the miserable scene. We quickly came down.

                    These cruel evictions have of course been reported, and some foreigners who tried to block or record them, such as Rachel Corrie, Tom Hurndall and James Miller, paid with their lives alongside scores of murdered local Palestinians. But coverage was never as comprehensive or intense as this week's removals of Israelis. Sharon wanted the world's media to see the protracted agony of the settlers, so as to make the (spurious) point that if it is hard to get 8,500 to leave Gaza, getting 400,000 to withdraw from the West Bank and east Jerusalem will be impossible. However sincere the settlers' grief is at leaving their homes, for the organisers of the retreat it was theatre of the cynical.

                    The exaggerated focus on the settlement evictions has some benefits. Those who claim, genuinely or dishonestly, that the world's media are biased in favour of Palestinians had their argument collapse this week. TV viewers around the world have also been exposed to the ugly sight of rampant religious fundamentalism.

                    As they were dragged off, some Israeli zealots had no shame in minimising the Holocaust, absurdly comparing unarmed Israeli police to the Gestapo. Others used racist insults. "Jews do not expel Jews," they shouted, presumably wanting to imply that only non-Jews do it. They apparently did not realise that most people will see the irony in terms of contemporary rather than historical events - "Jews do not expel Jews ... Jews expel Arabs."

                    Perhaps the ugliest part of the Israeli settlers' behaviour was their corruption of youth, with parents instigating their children to wrap themselves in prayer shawls and sob or shriek defiance.
                    No one who spends time in Gaza's Palestinian communities can avoid being saddened by the ubiquitous focus on the gun, which also diverts children from normal growing up. It appears on graffiti everywhere alongside the names and faces of those who died by violence, in suicide attacks or shot down by Israeli fire. Almost every teenage boy aspires to use a Kalashnikov or hand grenade. At a recent wedding, I saw a dancing mother twirl a rifle in both hands above her head like the baton of a majorette.

                    Trapped in their Israeli-enforced ghetto, Gazans can at least claim that this pervasive and corrupting militarism is the legacy of a decades-long national resistance movement to defend land that belongs to them. Islam is part of the mix, but religion follows the national flag. For many Israeli settlers in Gaza that dynamic was reversed. Religion was their driving force, and they had no individual or national right to the land on which they built their armed camps.

                    Israel's worst practices from Gaza are likely to be transferred to the West Bank now. Controls over freedoms in the West Bank have been tightened relentlessly in recent years. More roads were closed. More checkpoints sprang up. Walls and fences were extended, in defiance of the international court of justice's ruling that they are illegal. However, even with this creeping oppression, life in the West Bank is not yet as constricted as it was for those in Gaza.

                    That will probably change. Sharon - one of whose nicknames, appropriately, is Bulldozer - wants to expand the West Bank settlements and demolish more Palestinian homes around Jerusalem. Unless his strategy of unilateralism is blocked, evictions may reach Rafah-like proportions.

                    The break-up of the settlements will give those in Gaza freedom to move within their narrow enclave, but this benefit may be outweighed by the West Bank's losses. One of the worst places in Gaza used to be the Abu Houli crossing, a tunnel for Palestinian vehicles that went under the road to the Israeli settlements of Gush Katif. At any moment Israeli Land Rovers or tanks would emerge to block the tunnel, leaving

                    Palestinians stranded on what was the only road linking the north and south of Gaza. Pregnant mothers could not get to hospital. Relatives missed weddings. Students failed to reach their colleges to take exams.

                    Israel intends to build at least 16 gated crossings in the West Bank. It is one thing to have segregated roads - a step that America's Deep South and apartheid South Africa never reached. But to insist on the right to block even those roads that are allocated to Palestinians is grotesque. The West Bank will be sliced into a series of ghettoes that Israeli forces can isolate at will. Whatever the security justification, the effect is to impose collective punishment on every Palestinian.

                    No one should be surprised if, in the face of such injustice, Palestinian anger and resistance grow.

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                    • #11
                      Historically, the Jews in the land pleaded with the Palestinians to join them in the State of Israel, but the Arab world told them not to. They were told to wait a little until the Jews are annihilated (driven to the sea), and then they can reclaim all the land.

                      But things turn out the other way and the Palestinians were stuck. In the face of this, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iraq, all refused to welcome the suffering Palestinians into their countries and give them aid or citizenship. That's how Palestinians became refugees in the first place.

                      Yes, the Arab countries should continue to press for the right of Palestinians. But they should also alleviate their suffering by welcoming them in the thousands to resettle in their countries.

                      So now the Jews are in a survival mode surrounded by a sea of Arabs who have openly declared their lack of love for them.

                      The suffering Palestinians are displaced with limited space to accomodate them and their fellow Arabs unwilling to welcome them into their countries with equal rights.

                      I am for the State of Palestine. I am also for the right of Israel as a Sovereign/independent nation.

                      May the two sons of Abraham learn to live in peace and harmony.

                      [Edited by Theja on 20th August 2005 at 03:45]
                      THERE IS NO SALVATION IN RELIGION.

                      "Unless you are 'born' again, you can never get into the kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Theja

                        May the two sons of Abraham learn to live in peace and harmony.
                        Hi Theja,
                        So you believe that the earth is for both sons?
                        It's also to be noted that some israelis don't even believe in the scriptures.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by HOUDA-K
                          Salam ~DW~

                          Do you want me to move this thread to the Open Board, so you get more responses to your thread ?

                          Wa Salam
                          thank you for the offer Houda.
                          a lot was added after you offered and i feel satisfied with everyones input and i appreciate it.
                          i think theres no need to move it now.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Abdu23
                            Originally posted by Theja

                            May the two sons of Abraham learn to live in peace and harmony.
                            Hi Theja,
                            So you believe that the earth is for both sons?
                            It's also to be noted that some israelis don't even believe in the scriptures.
                            the true Dream for theja is to save the Jews and give no care about the muslims(since in her holy spiritual mind they are Satan worshipers) and when Jesus the almighty"gOD" comes back as a hero man again he will convert all the Jews and lead them to heaven

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                            • #15
                              In America there are more Arab Christians than there are Arab Muslims.

                              God loves both Jews and Arabs equally, just like He loves all the races in the world. Regardless of race, Jesus invites one and all to come to Him (Matthew 11:28-30).

                              "REST"
                              THERE IS NO SALVATION IN RELIGION.

                              "Unless you are 'born' again, you can never get into the kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

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