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    Official US agency paints dire picture of 'out-of-control' Iraq

    · Analysis issued by USAid in reconstruction effort

    · Account belies picture painted by White House

    An official assessment drawn up by the US foreign aid agency depicts the security situation in Iraq as dire, amounting to a "social breakdown" in which criminals have "almost free rein".

    The "conflict assessment" is an attachment to an invitation to contractors to bid on a project rehabilitating Iraqi cities published earlier this month by the US Agency for International Development (USAid).

    The picture it paints is not only darker than the optimistic accounts from the White House and the Pentagon, it also gives a more complex profile of the insurgency than the straightforward "rejectionists, Saddamists and terrorists" described by George Bush....

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...688730,00.html


    How difficult it must be for the American people to arrive at any clear understanding of the situation in Iraq when the spin, lies and propaganda being disseminated by their administration, their military, and the clandestine groups funded by the U.S. government being paid millions of dollars to plant false stories in the Iraqi media (to be recycled to the poor, gullible Americans as 'good news') that finds its way into U.S. media is in direct contrast to the dark and negative reports being given to the U.S. administration by its own agencies. The American people are fed the 'official, spun version' by a largely compliant U.S. media (with some honorable exceptions), while the real facts are suppressed, surfacing on occasion in non-U.S. or Arab media long before the facts emerge in the U.S.A.

    Even the kneee-jerk dismissals of the veracity of Arab media coming from certain Americans are prompted by 'what they are told' for in truth few can read or speak Arabic (or Farsi for that matter), so have no personal ability to assess the accuracy or otherwise of Arabic newspaper, TV, radio or online news reports.

    This state of affairs - the official lies being used to shape and influence the opinion of an American public ignorant of facts on the ground - has marked the Iraq conflict throughout its existence.

    It is remarkable how, having seen its administration, intelligence agencies and military caught out in lie after lie, over and over again, any section of U.S. society can continue to place any faith whatsoever in the utterances of White House and Pentagon spokespersons. And yet, bless them, many of them do blindly and uncritically cling to 'the official version', a version that the article cited above, along with a great many others, reveals is not borne out by facts on the ground at all.

    U.S. propaganda has had scant success in winning Arab 'hearts and minds' but perhaps that is not its primary purpose. It seems clear that the painting of rosy pictures with regard to Iraq is geared more towards trying to convince an uneducated American public to support its illegal, immoral actions in Iraq and elsewhere.

    How can any U.S. citizen have confidence in an administration that is trying to manipulate his or her opinion while simultaneously in possession of facts that are in stark contrast to the lies and propaganda being fed to the American public?
    Last edited by Bent_Bladi; 30th September 2006, 02:02.

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    The Associated Press

    January 20, 2006 6:57 AM


    A breakdown of seats allocated to the 12 political entities from preliminary results announced Friday from the Dec. 15 elections for the 275-member Iraqi parliament.

    - United Iraqi Alliance (Shiite, including Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari): 128 seats.

    - Kurdish Coalition (comprising parties led by President Jalal Talabani and Kurdish leader Massoud Barzani): 53 seats.

    - Iraqi Accordance Front (Sunni Arab): 44 seats.

    - Iraqi Front for National Dialogue (Sunni Arab): 11 seats.

    - Iraqi National List (secular, led by former Prime Minister Ayad Allawi): 25 seats.

    - Islamic Part of Kurdistan: 5 seats.

    - Reconciliation and Liberation Bloc (Sunni Arab): 3 seats.

    - Risaliyoun (Shiites): 2 seats.

    - Turkomen Iraqi Front (represents ethnic Turks): 1 seat.

    - Iraqi Nation List (Sunni): 1 seat.

    - Yazidi minority religious sect: 1 seat.

    - Al-Rafidian List (Christian): 1 seat.


    http://www.newspress.com/Top/Article...67635665864399

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    • #3
      Yes, the cat's out of the bag now. It's obvious that establishing a representative democracy in place of tyranny is going to be painful. Lots of old scores to settle. But why should people have to live under a sadistic dictator? There's just no way that's gonna fly in the 21st Century. Everyone who thinks brutal dictatorships are cool, raise your hand.

      Sometimes I get the impression that many of you naysayers and handwringers think Iraqis are just a bunch of uncivilised monkeys who are incapable of the compromise necessary to form coalitions and such. Give 'em a chance, for crying out loud!

      Another thing I've noticed is that a lot of the complainers are in fact living in countries where they get to enjoy the benefits of representative democracy but would deny those benefits to Iraqis. That is essentially what allowing Saddam to remain in power would have done.

      At least the Iraqis have something resembling a constitution. Did they have that under Saddam?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bilderbooger
        Everyone who thinks brutal dictatorships are cool, raise your hand.
        Rumsfeld shook Saddam's hand and supported him. I dont see you putting democracy in many African countries where there are plenty of dictators, how about North Koria too.

        Your post is a joke, people have woken up to this democracy joke the US administration keep using.

        Khokom.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bilderbooger
          Yes, the cat's out of the bag now. It's obvious that establishing a representative democracy in place of tyranny is going to be painful. Lots of old scores to settle. But why should people have to live under a sadistic dictator? There's just no way that's gonna fly in the 21st Century. Everyone who thinks brutal dictatorships are cool, raise your hand.

          Sometimes I get the impression that many of you naysayers and handwringers think Iraqis are just a bunch of uncivilised monkeys who are incapable of the compromise necessary to form coalitions and such. Give 'em a chance, for crying out loud!

          Another thing I've noticed is that a lot of the complainers are in fact living in countries where they get to enjoy the benefits of representative democracy but would deny those benefits to Iraqis. That is essentially what allowing Saddam to remain in power would have done.

          At least the Iraqis have something resembling a constitution. Did they have that under Saddam?
          You believe in "democracy" by CRIMINAL bush? you still believe in Santa Clauss"

          in ALL the planet there is ONE dictator, Saddam and JESUS CHRISTUS the messiah bush the criminal takes ALL these troubles to come to irak to establish democracy,??????
          it is a WONDERFUL WORLD!!!!

          bush the criminal is So generous to do that.

          he has lost this war ALREADY, it is a matter of time only.
          the OIL he wanted to steal this EVIL DOER is not possible as long as there is JIHAD in bilad errafidein(irak).his hand will be CUT there.he will face the same fate the RED BEAR faced in afghanistan.History repeats itself dear.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Khokom
            Originally posted by Bilderbooger
            Everyone who thinks brutal dictatorships are cool, raise your hand.
            Rumsfeld shook Saddam's hand and supported him. I dont see you putting democracy in many African countries where there are plenty of dictators, how about North Koria too.

            Your post is a joke, people have woken up to this democracy joke the US administration keep using.

            Khokom.
            Take the USA out of the equation and answer an abstract question.

            Are you against democracy as a concept?



            V

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            • #7
              Originally posted by voltaire
              Originally posted by Khokom
              Originally posted by Bilderbooger
              Everyone who thinks brutal dictatorships are cool, raise your hand.
              Rumsfeld shook Saddam's hand and supported him. I dont see you putting democracy in many African countries where there are plenty of dictators, how about North Koria too.

              Your post is a joke, people have woken up to this democracy joke the US administration keep using.

              Khokom.
              Take the USA out of the equation and answer an abstract question.

              Are you against democracy as a concept?



              V
              I am against deocracy as a concept. There are parts of it such as freedom, human rights, respect, openess which are great but other parts which fall down. In essence democarcy falls down as it looks to safeguard the majorities needs yet simultaneously make sure minorities are not abused yet simultaneously be ellected and represent a majority.

              So for them to properly safeguard the minority they must go against the needs of the majority by making certain compromises, at this point it no longer remains a democracy and then this abuse what true democracy leads to greater abuses until you end up with an ellected dictator as in the UK.

              We will ellect you through democratic means (arguable) yet when u are in u do what u want for 5 years. An ellected, fixed term dictatorship.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by voltaire
                Originally posted by Khokom
                Originally posted by Bilderbooger
                Everyone who thinks brutal dictatorships are cool, raise your hand.
                Rumsfeld shook Saddam's hand and supported him. I dont see you putting democracy in many African countries where there are plenty of dictators, how about North Koria too.

                Your post is a joke, people have woken up to this democracy joke the US administration keep using.

                Khokom.
                Take the USA out of the equation and answer an abstract question.

                Are you against democracy as a concept?



                V

                First of all, before you can ask that question, you must define democracy. I take it you define it the same way the west has always defined it, UK, USA, Europe,..etc. That definition has failed miserably and has been the cause of the death of many lives all over the world.

                Sorry but I cant see democracy in its pure image, western leaders have always bragged about how democratic they are, yet they achieved exactly the opposite, they lied to their people, they deceive their people into making them think their votes or their choices matter.

                And they stopped the course of democracy in many countries when it doesnt suit them. Israel has messed with the election process in Palestine when the people have voted democratically their parties. Too bad for Israel they see those parties as "terrorists".

                What other aspects of democracy you want me to bring up? Human Rights? Thats an easy one. Equality? Respect? Rights of citizens?

                Khokom.

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                • #9
                  No, as we've discussed before, "I don't like America and Israel" is not an adequate answer to every question in the political lexicon

                  Actually, I would dispute whether the enlightenment concept of democracy has failed, but that's another question. I may well start a thread on it when I have time though, because it's an important and interesting one.

                  For the purposes of this thread, let's boil it down to its bare bones. Do you believe that governments should be chosen by majority vote of the people in a given state?



                  V

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by voltaire


                    For the purposes of this thread, let's boil it down to its bare bones. Do you believe that governments should be chosen by majority vote of the people in a given state?



                    V
                    Before you can ask me that question, I wanna ask you this.

                    What if the majority people of a nation are illiterate and utterly incapable of understanding the complicated economic and political issues of modern life. Controlling and exploiting the masses comes to mind. Democracy will surely face problems dont u think?

                    Khokom.

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                    • #11
                      Was that a yes or a no?

                      Seems to me that you're dodging questions left, right and centre tonight. What a surprise



                      V

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                      • #12
                        Iraqi money gambled away in the Philippines. Thousands spent on a swimming pool that was never used. An elevator repaired so poorly that it crashed, killing people.

                        A U.S. government audit found American-led occupation authorities squandered tens of millions of dollars that were supposed to be used to rebuild Iraq through undocumented spending and outright fraud.

                        In some cases, auditors recommend criminal charges be filed against the perpetrators. In others, it asks the U.S. ambassador to Iraq to recoup the money.

                        Dryly written audit reports describe the Coalition Provisional Authority's offices in the south-central city of Hillah being awash in bricks of $100 bills taken from a central vault without documentation.

                        It describes one agent who kept almost $700,000 in cash in an unlocked footlocker and mentions a U.S. soldier who gambled away as much as $60,000 in reconstruction funds in the Philippines.....

                        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060129/...squandered_aid

                        No surprises there, only the fact that as usual reality takes a while to reach a U.S. audience. In Iraq people have been well aware of the massive looting and fraud for some considerable time, requiring no great audit but merely the use of their own eyes. It has been an education to read of 'completed projects' in U.S. military reports, U.S. media reports and pro-occupation Iraqi shills' blogs while Iraqis have stood before the ruins of what has been claimed to have been rebuilt or otherwise reconstructed and marvelled at how this or that hole in the gorund is being presented to the American public as some shiny new project. It is a matter of record now that some so-called 'completed projects' boasted of by the Americans were never undertaken at all - and yet the money disappeared and was somehow charged against this 'work' that had never been carried out. Note that the audit referred to in this report is only partial - the extent of the thieving and lying propaganda attached to U.S. actions in Iraq should make Americans hang their heads in shame.

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                        • #13
                          WASHINGTON — A secret U.S. military program that pays Iraqi newspapers to publish articles favorable to the American mission appears to violate a 2003 Pentagon directive, according to a newly declassified document released Thursday.

                          The information campaign run by U.S. troops in Baghdad and a Washington-based private contractor is the subject of a high-level military investigation. Last month, the top U.S. general in Iraq said a preliminary investigation into the program had found it did not violate U.S. law or Pentagon regulations.

                          "We concluded that we were operating within our authorities and the appropriate legal procedures. And so we have not suspended any of the processes up to now," Army Gen. George W. Casey told reporters then.

                          A secret directive on the Pentagon's information operations policy released Thursday, however, appears to prohibit U.S. troops from conducting psychological operations, or psy-ops, targeting the media.

                          "Psy-op is restricted by both DoD [Department of Defense] policy and executive order from targeting American audiences, our military personnel and news agencies or outlets," says the directive, dated Oct. 30, 2003, and signed by Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.

                          The document, titled "Information Operations Roadmap," was released by the National Security Archive, a research institution based at George Washington University that obtained it under the Freedom of Information Act.

                          A Pentagon spokesman did not return calls seeking comment…..


                          More:

                          http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...infowar27jan27,0,1706616.story?coll=la-headlines-world

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                          • #14
                            This really shows them up, a supposed democratic society paying newspapers to print stories they want! How democratric is that?!

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                            • #15
                              They did themselves no justice with this, where is the press? With the vietnam war, the fact that the press were everywhere meant it was very difficult to hide anything and there were enough honest reporters that revealed the truth, even they were american themselves, to show America just what was going on so far from home. Are they controlling the media so much? Where is democracy?

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