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    ".....A review of a sample of official Saudi textbooks for Islamic studies used during the current academic year reveals that, despite the Saudi government's statements to the contrary, an ideology of hatred toward Christians and Jews and Muslims who do not follow Wahhabi doctrine remains in this area of the public school system....."

    This is a Saudi textbook

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    A 10th-grade Saudi textbook on the hadith and Islamic culture for boys contains a lesson on the "Zionist movement." A key part of the lesson teaches students about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, an anti-Semitic forgery that purported to expose a scheme for Jewish global domination and has been widely circulated since the early 20th century. Despite repeated debunking and a notorious role in inciting Nazi violence, the protocols are still taught to the 10th graders as an authentic document revealing what Jews genuinely believe......

    Perpetuating the 'Protocols'

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    • #3
      I would expect nothing less from a people who follow the fabricated and unislamic way of the Salaf otherwise known as the Wahhabi sect.

      May Allah remove their evil doctrines from the world, Insha-Allah.

      They are a disease in Algeria today, are a disease in Saudi and a great disease in Iraq. I talk not of each and every single Wahhabi but their doctrines and leadership which is in a constant battle to make life as difficult as possible for Muslims to actually be Muslims.

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      • #4
        Saudi's are cursing themselves with lies which feeds into hatred and refusal to understand truth and realities. Sometimes they backfire within the country and bring death and voilence to Saudi's themselves. People hide under religion and appear very pious, but anyone who refuses to acknowledge truth and fairness is only claiming to have Allah on his side, deceiving oneself.
        THERE IS NO SALVATION IN RELIGION.

        "Unless you are 'born' again, you can never get into the kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

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        • #5
          El Henni, so basically you are saying that the sahih hadith of the prophet pbuh about el salaf el salih is false?

          And how about the 3 best generations he referred to in his hadith? Using common sense, it would mean the generation of the prophet pbuh, the one after it and then the one after that. This is what he said, Right?

          But then again, I would expect soufis and other deviated sects to show hatred towards anything to do with el Salaf el salih, and Ahl el sunnah wel Jamaa.

          Read about Mohammed Abdul Wahab and what he did? He revived Islam, he brought back the correct practice, the correct aqeedah, HE WIPED INNOVATIONS AND THE PRACTICES OF SHIRK such as worshipping dead people in graves.

          Khokom.
          Last edited by Khokom; 22 May 2006, 17:42.

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          • #6
            Why do Americans feel that they have to control the education system of Saudi Arabia? Why dont they leave muslim countries alone, why dont they pre-occupy themselves with their own internal affairs.

            Why do they want to change saudi text books? Do saudis go to America to remove pornographic magazines that degrade women?

            Islam is Islam, they can NEVER change it, edit it or stop others from teaching it. Its the Americans who need to teach Islam properly in its religious schools.

            Khokom.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Khokom
              El Henni, so basically you are saying that the sahih hadith of the prophet pbuh about el salaf el salih is false?

              And how about the 3 best generations he referred to in his hadith? Using common sense, it would mean the generation of the prophet pbuh, the one after it and then the one after that. This is what he said, Right?

              But then again, I would expect soufis and other deviated sects to show hatred towards anything to do with el Salaf el salih, and Ahl el sunnah wel Jamaa.

              Read about Mohammed Abdul Wahab and what he did? He revived Islam, he brought back the correct practice, the correct aqeedah, HE WIPED INNOVATIONS AND THE PRACTICES OF SHIRK such as worshipping dead people in graves.

              Khokom.

              Two points,

              1. You forgot to add ''in my opinion at the end of your rant'' (because it is only an opinion)

              2. Are you refering to the same Abdul Wahhab who demolished the graves of the Sahaba, the same Abdul Wahab that ordered the massacre of Ta'if and killing of many more all in the name of his ''salaf''.

              I have no issue with the way of the Salaf, this is the way which all good practicing Muslims should follow. As said in the originl post which u so nicely ignored, the Wahhabi ''salaf'' is not the Salaf of true Isla or not completely ''in my opinion and that of the Sunni Ulema of the Madhaahib''

              Is this the same Salafi outfit that has joined forces with the GIA in Algeria and sanctions the killing of Muslims, the same Salaf that routinely kidnaps and kills and bombs Iraqi's in Iraq on almost a dailly basis?

              Islam - take the verb sa la ma from Islam take the noun salaam out if Islam - remove the concept of peace and what u have is the reminants of modern day and past Wahhabism. Something which is in no possible way reflective of Sheikh Ibn Taymiyya(rh) or his teachings.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Khokom
                Why do Americans feel that they have to control the education system of Saudi Arabia? Why dont they leave muslim countries alone, why dont they pre-occupy themselves with their own internal affairs.
                You don't think there's anything wrong with a curriculum that teaches the Protocols of the Illuminati of Zion as though they were true? Seriously? I mean, I'm not arguing for the USA to "control" the Saudi schools system (whatever that actually means), but that hardly places that school system beyond criticism.

                a) The Protocols are utter bloody nonsense, about as close to serious history as the Teletubbies

                b) They're a forgery, originally circulated by the Russian Tsarist secret police, and later taken up by the Nazis

                c) They're a tool for engendering anti-Jewish prejudice worldwide

                d) They're also the tool of utterly corrupt regimes like that in Saudi Arabia, which (not uniquely) fuels the fires of atavistic theocracy in order to deflect attention from its own inhumane treatment of those it governs

                But hey, apart from that there's no problem, right Khokkers?



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                • #9
                  I agree I dont believe the Protocols , after i read a little about them but when i checked the chapter 7 I think about the control of the media , i could not help wondering .. ? ..


                  what truly amazes me is this
                  If someone gets arrested in Syria or Iran , the Whitehouse will criticize the move straight away and urge for the release . But these kind of things are happening every week in saudi and not a word from the Whitehouse.
                  the same whitehouse criticize Arab countries and urges for reform , Yet when it comes to Saudi they can do it on their own time . (yet Syrians have women Ministers in the gov , women reporters , women who dress the way they want , and drive cars and work and own businesses et.. )
                  Saudis can arrest people for having evil thoughts only , or people who phone Other TV networks and criticize corruption and press control . i could go on .. but then the picture on the First Thread Says it all .
                  Friendship

                  [60:8] GOD does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the equitable.

                  [60:9] GOD enjoins you only from befriending those who fight you because of religion, evict you from your homes, and band together with others to banish you. You shall not befriend them. Those who befriend them are the transgressors

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                  • #10
                    I need say no more



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                    • #11
                      "It seems that the Institute for Gulf Affairs has become a mere propaganda tool of AIPAC and its cronies. I reported a week ago, based on a story in the Washington Post, about a new report by Freedom House (mostly prepared by their new ally, the Institute for Gulf Affairs) about Saudi textbooks. The report was widely reported. Today, the highly able and effective Al-Jazeera's Hafiz Al-Mirazi devoted his program, 'From Washington', to the subject, and he invited the director of the Institute for Gulf Affairs. Mirazi unearthed some of the Saudi books that were cited in the report and revealed that Freedom House and Institute for Gulf Affairs actually lied in some of their references to Saudi textbooks and made things up. Of course, this does not mean that Saudi textbooks do not contain stupid, hateful, and intolerant elements, just as Israeli textbooks do. In fact, Mirazi invited a specialist to speak about hate and intolerance in Israeli textbooks. But according to US Congress, Israel is cute and adorable when it hates and oppresses."

                      >>>Source<<<

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                      • #12
                        So does that mean that they don't in fact include the Protocols in Saudi textbooks? I'm trying to find a link to the Angry Arab guy's sources, but I haven't managed it.

                        Although I must say that I don't find "the Israelis do it too" very convincing as a counter-argument...



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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ElHenni
                          May Allah remove their evil doctrines from the world, Insha-Allah.

                          .
                          Inshallah . but the Elite dont mind them. and have welcomed them in their WTO with open arms .
                          Friendship

                          [60:8] GOD does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the equitable.

                          [60:9] GOD enjoins you only from befriending those who fight you because of religion, evict you from your homes, and band together with others to banish you. You shall not befriend them. Those who befriend them are the transgressors

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Khokom
                            El, HE WIPED INNOVATIONS AND THE PRACTICES OF SHIRK such as worshipping dead people in graves.

                            Khokom.
                            who in his right mind does this anyway ? i have not heard of anyone worshipping dead people .

                            what the Wahabis are doing is Appalling and hurting our image as muslims.

                            they are intolerant to other religions (that s not in the Quran , jews and christians are seen as AHl Al kitab and are even honored in many chapters of the Quran )
                            they dont allow the practise of other religions, when the population of saudi has many christians not allowed to read their bible , who said that ? Allah ? certainly not . You have Your religion , I have mine .

                            they dont allow many Girls to reach post graduate studies sometimes against their wishes , (when the prophet said to go for Knowlege even to china or from the Crib to the coffin )

                            they Basically destroyed many Old , Muslim monuments that are part of our history , which should have been preserved with great care , some even belonged the prophet family (PBUH) and and used them to build car parks and 5 star hotels for financial gain . I had expected more demonstrations than the cartoon ones .

                            they Have banned Many Staff from Al Jazeera from performing Hajj , because Al Jazeera has allowed Saudi Opposition and reform Supporters to air their views on tv . who are they to bann them ? Are they the owners of the Holly places or the custodians ? people should have demonstrated against this unfair treatmemnt . it is against islam .
                            I could go on and on and on , (i have seen dozens of them So called Saudi Religious people in Morocco , when i lived there and you would not want to know what i have seen from them . ) they make me sick .
                            Friendship

                            [60:8] GOD does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the equitable.

                            [60:9] GOD enjoins you only from befriending those who fight you because of religion, evict you from your homes, and band together with others to banish you. You shall not befriend them. Those who befriend them are the transgressors

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by nesreen
                              Inshallah . but the Elite dont mind them. and have welcomed them in their WTO with open arms .
                              Which particular "Elite"? You mean the G8 nations?



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