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    The Algerian prime minister Ahmed Ouyahia revealed on Tuesday evening that 1000 innocent Algerians were massacred by the barbaric muslim extremists in a single night in 1998 in the region of Relizane, west of Algeria. According to him, the full extent of the massacre was not made public at the time deliberately so as not to alarm the population and present the terrorists as being on the ascendency.

    Can you imagine the horror of 1000 people butchered in one night? Below is the full piece lifted from the French newspaper "Liberation".

    http://www.libération.fr/page.php?Article=369119
    A dios rogando y con el mazo dando

  • #2
    Bernaoui, your link is not working.

    Could you provide us with a operative link?

    I did a quick search on Libération.fr and couldn't find the article using Ahmed Ouyahia's name or Algérie as search terms so it would be a help to have some more detail.

    shukran

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    • #3
      Re: confusing

      Originally posted by lePharon
      Bedaoui can you please explain what's meant by: " present the terrorists as being on the ascendency. "

      Are the islamists reponsible for it not ? If not who is ?


      It's meant as having the upper hand, or gaining some form of power. It's common for governments to hide or bury information, they don't want to encourage the terrorists, terrorism is just how the word describes, spreading terror and using that terror to control people, governments want the people to think the situation is under control so the people feel safe and don't panic.

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      • #4
        As the dead, whatever their number, will have had relatives and neighbors I find it difficult to understand how any government could impose blanket censorship on an event such as this. There have been - and continue to be - incidents of killings of Iraqi civilians in the conflict there and despite the best efforts of the U.S. military and the disinterest of U.S. media in investigating U.S. military claims set against the evidence of surviviors / eyewitnesses it is usually only a matter of time before more accurate accounts of the incidents from other sources begin to surface. This is true of incidents where the numbers of dead are comparatively small.

        The deaths of 1,000 people would have touched so many lives that it would be remarkable if nobody spoke of it and next to impossible that a government could conceal news of killings on such a scale.

        The statement, if correct, is clearly linked to the recent release by the Algerian government of estimated death tolls and is related to the ongoing amnesty and political developments associated with it.

        After every civil war no less significant a conflict takes place about who should be given custody of the 'blame' and the release of the 'massacre' claim is probably a part of that. No civil war has ever been fought with clean hands on any side, to my knowledge, and the current government is probably working to create a sense of historical legitimacy by seeking to justify the fact that a western-backed military cancelled democratic elections the Islamists had been poised to win, as Hamas has done in the Palestinian territories, by references to 'atrocities'.

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        • #5
          OK, here is an English language article about the matter:

          "Algeria's government has acknowledged hiding the real toll of one of the worst massacres of its decade of conflict, explaining that to tell the truth at the time would have helped its militant Islamist foes.

          Prime Minister Ahmed Ouyahia told a briefing for local journalists on Tuesday that a massacre carried out by Islamist attackers in villages near Relizane town in January 1998 cost 1 000 lives, not the 100 or 150 then cited by officials.

          The massacre caused a storm of international concern, with European nations questioning the ability of Algeria's government to protect its citizens, and deepened jitters over the possible destabilising effect of the conflict on the wider Mediterranean.

          El Watan daily said the admission put in question the veracity of official accounts of the conflict at a sensitive time when the country has embarked on a national reconciliation process aimed at drawing a line under the bloodshed......"

          More....

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Al-khiyal
            Bernaoui, your link is not working.

            Could you provide us with a operative link?

            I did a quick search on Libération.fr and couldn't find the article using Ahmed Ouyahia's name or Algérie as search terms so it would be a help to have some more detail.

            shukran
            For some reason, the link appears to have been deactivated but I can assure you it existed. If it's any consolation, below is a reference to it in a piece by Mustapha Hammouche of the Algerian newspaper "Liberte" dated 22/03/06.


            Soutien politique et marketing

            Par : Mustapha Hammouche

            Il n’y avait pas que les quatre cents victimes dans le carnage de Had Chekala et Ramka, mais mille. C’est le Premier ministre d’alors et de maintenant qui le révèle et qui justifie la diminution du bilan du massacre.
            Si le réflexe de dissimulation a joué à Relizane, c’est qu’il a joué à Bentalha, Raïs et dans l’histoire officielle de toute la décennie noire. La confession ne fait que confirmer une tendance consubstantielle du pouvoir à étouffer la réalité pour présenter au peuple et au monde une vérité magique. C’est son discours qui tient lieu de réel.
            Pendant la décennie noire, nos partenaires ne nous croyaient pas parce que le baril de pétrole était à dix dollars ; aujourd’hui, non seulement ils nous croient, mais ils appuient nos déclarations officielles parce que le baril vaut soixante-dix dollars.
            Le client est roi, c’est un principe de management occidental. Et ce n’est pas le président Borell qui, au nom de la Communauté européenne, risque de contredire le principe. Avant même de soutenir Zappatero dans ses avances réconciliatrices envers l’ETA, il a trouvé plus urgent d’appuyer notre “réconciliation”. C’est touchant comme notre paix passe avant la quiétude de sa patrie.
            Voyant que les autorités algériennes hésitent à poursuivre le processus dans lequel elles se sont engagées avec l’Europe, il préfère, plutôt que de faire des concessions commerciales, nous offrir des gages politiques. Comme celui d’authentifier la liberté de presse dans notre pays et de témoigner à charge contre Mohamed Benchicou.
            Aujourd’hui, nous n’avons même plus besoin de retoucher les faits, comme en 1998, à propos de l’épisode sanglant de Ramka. D’ailleurs, on les rectifie dans le sens de la vérité. On n’a plus rien à cacher quand on a un pouvoir d’achat à exhiber. C’est le meilleur argument de politique international.
            Un pays exotique n’a pas à être moderne et démocratique ; on lui demande d’être riche et bon consommateur. Un Président élu à 82% au Belarus, c’est une dictature ; un Président élu à 84% en Algérie, c’est “une élection qui ne souffre d’aucune contestation”, n’est-ce pas Monsieur Chirac ?
            Il n’est pas attendu des partenaires occidentaux d’influer sur l’évolution des pays du tiers-monde. Ce n’est ni leur souci, ni leur vocation, ni leur devoir. Mais il est étrange que l’univers entier trouve, par exemple, pertinente l’idée de relâcher des terroristes dont certains ont massacré des centaines d’enfants en une nuit — de la Russie qui n’a que le souci d’écouler ses armes à l’Amérique qui joue au shérif antiterroriste international — et se sente dans l’obligation d’y apporter son soutien !
            Il y a dix ans, on refusait de nous vendre “même des cartouches”, disait Nezzar. Au nom des droits de l’Homme et de… notre insolvabilité. Aujourd’hui, on ne voit que les soixante ou quatre vingt milliards que nous avons à dépenser. On peut donc tout dire et tout faire. Un lâcher de cinq ours dans les Pyrénées a ému la France entière, et l’Europe entière nous a félicités d’avoir ouvert la porte à trois mille terroristes.


            A dios rogando y con el mazo dando

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            • #7
              Re: confusing

              Originally posted by lePharon
              Bedaoui can you please explain what's meant by: " present the terrorists as being on the ascendency. "

              Are the islamists reponsible for it not ? If not who is ?


              Jug,

              Jannah explained it well. As to who did the killing, the government is quite clear on this. It was the Islamists.
              A dios rogando y con el mazo dando

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              • #8
                Quite frankly if I was the president of Algeria, responsible for the future of the nation, and if I realised that there was only one solution, then I am not quite sure what I would have done.

                Talking is easy, but action and decisions when having immense responsabiliy,are the most difficult.

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                • #9
                  Re: Re: confusing

                  Originally posted by Bernaoui
                  Originally posted by lePharon
                  Bedaoui can you please explain what's meant by: " present the terrorists as being on the ascendency. "

                  Are the islamists reponsible for it not ? If not who is ?


                  Jug,

                  Jannah explained it well. As to who did the killing, the government is quite clear on this. It was the Islamists.
                  At least the government is trying to reconcile and bring the country together. You can bet your ass that had Saddam Hussein been President of Algeria, he'd of spared no expense or act of brutality to slaughter every man, woman and child even remotely connected to the insurgency.

                  I say hat's off to the President. He's trying to preserve some freedom in a country infested with Islamist kooks.

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                  • #10
                    In Iraq today we have men, women and children who are not even remotely connected with the 'insurgency' being massacred by American troops.

                    US troops investigated over Iraqi massacres

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                    • #11
                      Re: Re: Re: confusing

                      Originally posted by Bilderbooger
                      Originally posted by Bernaoui
                      Originally posted by lePharon
                      Bedaoui can you please explain what's meant by: " present the terrorists as being on the ascendency. "

                      Are the islamists reponsible for it not ? If not who is ?


                      Jug,

                      Jannah explained it well. As to who did the killing, the government is quite clear on this. It was the Islamists.
                      At least the government is trying to reconcile and bring the country together. You can bet your ass that had Saddam Hussein been President of Algeria, he'd of spared no expense or act of brutality to slaughter every man, woman and child even remotely connected to the insurgency.

                      I say hat's off to the President. He's trying to preserve some freedom in a country infested with Islamist kooks.
                      Regarding Algeria, is the reconciliation a just one?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Re: Re: Re: confusing

                        Originally posted by MrMeaner1

                        Regarding Algeria, is the reconciliation a just one? [/B]
                        I guess if one side considers the reconciliation to be unjust, then the parties haven't really reconciled. I have little sympathy for Islamist/Jihadist freaks. Right thinking has clearly prevailed over wrong thinking in Algeria. The Islamists were/are/always will be wrong in my book. And to be fair, there are some far right Christian goofballs around, too.

                        Sharia law is imposed on the stupid, plain and simple.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: confusing

                          Originally posted by Bilderbooger


                          Sharia law is imposed on the stupid, plain and simple. [/B]
                          Ehhh Bilederbooger you have to review your Islamic vocabulary and dictionary before saying such a thing ok!
                          You should Know that Sharia means the holly quraan and Sunna ,The Laws Taken from this sources are sharia!!!
                          The sharia is misused and abused by the stupids Fanatic Separatists individuals and those who beleieves their agenda are even worse...there we can agree!
                          You have to be Careful what you Say..Masque falling !pick it up quickly! that will be religious harassment-Anti Islam faith and doctrines and laws.
                          Looking At Algeria's issues is one and our Sharia is another thing!I hope we are clear!

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                          • #14
                            Ruqaiyyah Waris Maqsood is the author of around forty books on Islam and other subjects. She gained her honours degree in Theology in 1963 and Post Graduate Teaching Certificate in 1964, with distinctions in theory and practice.

                            Her professional life was spent as Head of Religious Studies at various UK inner city secondary schools, until she retired in 1996, to concentrate on writing and lecturing.

                            Ruqaiyyah grew up a devout Christian, but converted to Islam in 1986. Already established by then as an author of books on Christian and educational topics, she has since devoted her time to writing on Islam and doing dawah work to both Christian and Muslim audiences.


                            Ruqaiyyah Waris Maqsood - Sharia: A Practical Guide

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                            • #15
                              What are the basic principles of Sharia?

                              These are to see the will of God done on earth as it is in Heaven (as in the Christian Lord's Prayer). How can we possibly know this will? By study of the revealed scriptures and by choosing talented, intelligent and far-sighted merciful people of excellent character as our judges.
                              In this day and age, anyone in favor of killing a person because they change their religion is not far-sighted, merciful, or intelligent. They are mentally ill, brainwashed, or both.

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