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    It seems as if one fails to conceive
    The meaning my name strives to achieve

    To a biological form you cannot relate-
    Because a reproductive cell is a gamete not gamate!

    It means to unite, -to become consolidated
    So without me in a.com, is there hope we'd be amalgamated?


  • #2
    now do you guys think this is actually realistic?
    It seems as if one fails to conceive
    The meaning my name strives to achieve

    To a biological form you cannot relate-
    Because a reproductive cell is a gamete not gamate!

    It means to unite, -to become consolidated
    So without me in a.com, is there hope we'd be amalgamated?

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    • #3
      It is 'scare story' stuff, based on the 'Eurabia' myth propounded by Bat Ye'or and others.

      Such material is usually transmitted by racist, anti-Islam elements.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Al-khiyal View Post

        Such material is usually transmitted by racist, anti-Islam elements.
        I could agree with that since I read the comments made by one who posted the video:

        "Islam will overwhelm Christendom unless Christians recognize the demographic realities, begin reproducing again, and share the gospel with Muslims."
        It seems as if one fails to conceive
        The meaning my name strives to achieve

        To a biological form you cannot relate-
        Because a reproductive cell is a gamete not gamate!

        It means to unite, -to become consolidated
        So without me in a.com, is there hope we'd be amalgamated?

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        • #5
          lol @ "This, is a call to action!"

          What are they going to do? Drag their wives by the hair into the bedroom?

          The clip is toxic, contains erroneous information, and is yet another online 'crusade' pitched towards racists, bigots and the mentally feeble. The uploader of that particular 'sample' actually describes it as a 'Muslim propaganda video' which says a great deal about his or her intelligence.

          More doses of fear and the fomenting of hatred - just what the world needs, eh?

          And if I'm not mistaken, the narrator has an American accent - now there's a surprise!

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          • #6

            August 7, 2009 -- A big YouTube hit makes startling predictions about the Islamification of Europe over the next few decades and has been viewed more than 10 million times. But can you believe what it says? This seven-and-a-half minute video "Muslim Demographics" uses slick graphics, punctuated with dramatic music, to make some surprising claims, asserting that much of Europe will be majority Muslim in just a few decades. It says that in the past two decades, 90% of all population growth in Europe has been Muslim immigration. In France, it says 30% of those aged 20 and younger are Muslim, with the birth rate for Muslim families massively exceeding that across all families. It says France will be an Islamic Republic within 39 years. In the UK it says the Muslim population has risen 30-fold since the beginning of the 1980s.

            But are any of the video's statistics true?

            Of the video's claims that 90% of Europe's population growth since 1990 is due to Islamic immigration, only a fragment is true. Immigration is the main driver of population growth according to EU statistics and in some exceptional years, 90% of population growth has been down to net inward migration. But that includes all immigrants coming into the EU, not just Muslims. It is the claims made about individual countries that are most striking. The video says that a typical French family has 1.8 children but that French Muslim families have 8.1 children. No source is given for this information and the French government doesn't collect statistics by religion. So it is impossible to say what the precise fertility rates among different religious groups in France are. But no country on earth has such a high fertility rate and in Algeria and Morocco, the two nations which send the largest numbers of Muslim immigrants to France, the fertility rate is 2.38, according to the UN's 2008 figures.

            In the Netherlands, according to the video, half of all newborns are Muslim, and in 15 years half the population will be Muslim. But the Dutch office of statistics estimates that Muslims make up only 5% of the population. For Dutch Muslim women to produce half the nation's babies, they would have to be giving birth at at least 14 times the rate of their non-Muslim neighbours. Is 25% of the Belgian population Muslim, as the video asserts? No. The Belgian office of statistics points to a 2008 study which suggests the real figure is just 6%.

            The video also states that the Muslim population of the UK has grown 30-fold in the past 30 years. They get the figure by estimating that the British Muslim population has risen from 82,000 to 2.5 million. The firm data is in the 2001 census, which counted close to 1.6 million Muslims in England and Wales. That number will have risen since 2001 so 2.5 million is not impossible. The 2011 census will be looked to for clarification. However, according to Dr Andrew Hinde, a demographer at Southampton University, the 82,000 figure is a gross under-estimate. "If you take the 1981 census there was no question asked on religious belief," he says, "but if you take those born in Pakistan and Bangladesh as a minimum estimate of the number of Muslims in 1981, it's about 300,000." That would mean the growth rate has been significantly slower than the video suggests.

            But the video doesn't just rely on statistics, it also uses an official Government statement. It quotes it as saying: "The fall in German population can no longer be stopped. Its downward spiral is no longer reversible. It will be a Muslim state by the year 2050." The statement in question was made by then vice-president of the Federal Statistics Office, Walter Radermacher, who is now chief statistician of the European Union. He says that while it is true he said Germany's population was in decline, the last part of the quote [in italics] is just an invention. He said nothing about Germany becoming a Muslim state. "The quotation which reads as if the German government believed that Germany will become a Muslim state is simply not true," he says. "There is no source which can be quoted that the German government has published such an expression or opinion." The video also claims the German government believes the number of Muslims in Europe will double to 104 million. Mr Radermacher adds: "That is not true. The German government does not believe that the Muslim population will double in the next 40 or 50 years. There are no reliable sources that give a proof for that assumption."

            Population projection is an inexact science. No-one knows how many Muslims will be living in Europe or anywhere else by 2050. The current trends suggest that by 2050 Europe will have a bigger proportion of Muslims, although nothing like the level suggested in the video. But the big assumption here is current trends. Levels of immigration and fertility change over time. It is certainly true that immigrant communities often have higher fertility rates but over time these usually fall into line with the indigenous population. This might not happen with Muslim immigrants. But nobody can know and that's why, according to Dr Hinde, it is so hard to guess the future. "In the 1930s there were population projections made of the UK that by the end of the century the UK population would be 20 million. Well, it turned out to be 50 million. That's how far out you can get when you're moving 40 or 50 years down the line and not taking into account the uncertainty."

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            • #7
              it's good that they are able to refute the erroneous data in that video
              It seems as if one fails to conceive
              The meaning my name strives to achieve

              To a biological form you cannot relate-
              Because a reproductive cell is a gamete not gamate!

              It means to unite, -to become consolidated
              So without me in a.com, is there hope we'd be amalgamated?

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                • #9
                  i tried to watch those videos without sound, its alot harder to watch the second one without sound... *nothing useful to add to conversation* just imagine how tiring it would be to have 8.1 babies?

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                  • #10
                    Action now

                    Originally posted by Al-khiyal View Post

                    August 7, 2009 -- A big YouTube hit makes startling predictions about the Islamification of Europe over the next few decades and has been viewed more than 10 million times. ."
                    and 95% of viewer was muslims sooo ACTION NOW
                    A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
                    By: George Bernard Shaw

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                    • #11
                      Alan Philps:


                      August 13, 2009 -- One of the most popular items on YouTube, the video-sharing website, is a slickly produced clip called Muslim Demographics. Since it was posted in March it has attracted more than 10 million viewers, a score usually reserved for content of a more salacious nature. Far from it: this is a statistics-laden preview of the coming apocalypse, when Europe falls to the silent, swordless jihad of Muslim immigration. The authors of the eight-minute video do not declare themselves, but the content indicates that it is the work of an American Christian evangelical organisation using the supposed fate of Europe as a call to raise the alarm in the U.S. before it goes the way of the Old Continent.

                      It is frightening stuff, intoned over a soundtrack of scary music. Because European women do not have enough babies, the continent is dying out; its fertility rate has already dropped below the point of no return. The wellhead of western civilisation is culturally dead, and only Muslim immigration keeps the place from becoming a desert. Among the video’s more startling “facts” is that the German government has itself predicted that Germany will become a Muslim state by 2050. Half of all babies born in the Netherlands are Muslim. The Muslim population of Britain exploded thirtyfold in 30 years.

                      There is one problem: most of the statistics are implausible or downright wrong. The film declares, for example, that Muslim women in France have a total fertility rate of 8.1 children, against the French average of 1.8. Data on the religion of mothers are not collected in France, but if this astounding figure were true it would make French Muslim women the most productive in the world. The world record for fertility is held by Niger, at 7.15, while Algeria and Morocco – from where most French Muslims come – have a rather modest average of 2.38.

                      Many experts have questioned parts of the argument, but the most serious rebuttal has been delivered by a BBC radio programme, 'More or Less', which specialises in exposing the abuse of statistics by governments, the media and lobby groups. The programme tracked down Walter Radermacher, the German statistician who is quoted as predicting that Germany would become a Muslim state by 2050. He confirms that he did indeed sound the alarm about Germany’s low birth rate, but he never spoke of Islam, which is hardly surprising given that the nature of his work is numbers, not religions.

                      All manner of alarming statistics melt away under scrutiny. The video claims that 25 per cent of the population of Belgium is Muslim. The real figure is 6 per cent. If half of all babies born in the Netherlands were Muslim, as the video proclaims, it would require each Dutch Muslim woman to have more than 20 children. We should not be surprised that the grim science of demography is used to spread moral panic. Two hundred years ago, Thomas Malthus, an English clergyman, asserted that population growth would be checked only by global famine, and enjoined sexual abstinence on the poor so that they should not add to the problem. Since his day, however, demographers have learned to be more cautious in their predictions. Indeed, the only certainty is that crude extrapolations from today’s total fertility rates will be wide of the mark in 40 years.

                      But that still leaves unanswered the question of why there is a huge market for such scare stories. In the discussion forums about this video, you meet again and again the view that, while the statistics might be flawed, they reveal a deeper truth that is ignored by governments and the mainstream media, who are accused of covering up reality in the name of anti-racism. Part of the explanation lies in the frailty of human perception, where the exotic is more noticeable than the routine. On the streets of London, one woman in a burqa makes more of an impression than 1,000 men in suits. Like all big lies, however, it clings to a kernel of truth. And that truth is that no government in the European Union ever sought votes declaring that it would encourage mass immigration. Instead, governments have dissembled. The foreigners were just “guest workers” (as in Germany) and would go “home” one day, or they would always be hidden away, like the 100 immigrants discovered living in the sewers of Rome in April. No government dared to say that Europe is heading, at least in its major cities, for a multicultural society that would require a re-evaluation of what it means to be European.

                      This failure of nerve has opened the way for deep distrust of everything official about immigration, and a ready market for alarmist propaganda. There are elements of this panic in the U.S., where mass Hispanic immigration is changing the face of society, a panic boosted by lingering distrust of a mixed-race president whose middle name is Hussein. In Europe, in the past, distrust was aimed at Afro-Caribbean communities. Now it is the Muslims, who are lumped together despite their widely differing cultural backgrounds and socio-economic status. The ghettoisation of parts of some major European cities is already under way. This is hardly surprising: immigrants, such as Jews or French Protestants, have always huddled together for comfort. But the issue of integration of immigrant communities, particularly those that do not value female education, is a legitimate political issue. With well paid jobs becoming ever scarcer, as Europe goes through a period of deflation, it will be harder and harder for the poor – white, brown and black – to achieve a decent standard of living. This will be the real issue confronting European governments in years to come. For the moment, the Muslim Demographics video remains top of the Google search list – and you have to look long and hard to find the material that debunks its bogus statistics.

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