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    Sahih Muslim 9, No 3506

    Abu Bakr went in (to visit Muhammad). Then came 'Umar and he sought permission and it was granted to him, and he found Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) sitting sad and silent with his wives around him. He (Hadrat 'Umar) said: I would say something which would make the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) laugh, so he said: Messenger of Allah, I wish you had seen (the treatment meted out to) the daughter of Khadija when you asked me some money, and I got up and slapped her on her neck. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) laughed and said: They are around me as you see, asking for extra money. Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) then got up went to 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) and slapped her on the neck, and 'Umar stood up before Hafsa and slapped her saying: You ask Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) which he does not possess.

  • #2
    Please tell me because I am angry at some women.

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    • #3
      in the same book!


      here is the other side of story..



      Volume 3, Book 44, Number 669:
      Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

      -The Prophet decreed that one should not eat two dates together at a time unless he gets the permission from his companions (sharing the meal with him).

      ----
      Volume 3, Book 44, Number 678:
      Narrated Abdullah:

      Allah's Apostle rented the land of Khaibar to the Jews on the condition that they would work on it and cultivate it and take half of its yield.

      ----

      Volume 8, Book 76, Number 421:

      Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

      The Prophet said, "There are two blessings which many people lose: (They are) Health and free time for doing good."


      -------------

      Volume 8, Book 76, Number 465:
      Narrated 'Aisha:

      A complete month would pass by during which we would not make a fire (for cooking), and our food used to be only dates and water unless we were given a present of some meat.














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      • #4
        deal!



        as few here can discuss serious theology...here is a deal, whenever you post hadith from al 'bukhari' or 'muslim' I will post another one from the same books;mine would be the opposite of yours until we reach the conclusion that in this books there are genuine ahadiths and 'FEEBLE' ones, and that he who wants to know about any religion should conduct far more extensive researches...

        to be comtinued

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        • #5
          Mr Justice,

          First of all you didnt start the Hadith properly and didnt finish it properly.

          This is what the hadith says:

          Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported: Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) came and sought permission to see Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). He found people sitting at his door and none amongst them had been granted permission, but it was granted to Abu Bakr and he went in. Then came 'Umar and he sought permission and it was granted to him, and he found Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) sitting sad and silent with his wives around him. He (Hadrat 'Umar) said: I would say something which would make the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) laugh, so he said: Messenger of Allah, I wish you had seen (the treatment meted out to) the daughter ofKhadija when you asked me some money, and I got up and slapped her on her neck. Allah's Messenger (mav peace be upon him) laughed and said: They are around me as you see, asking for extra money. Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) then got up went to 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) and slapped her on the neck, and 'Umar stood up before Hafsa and slapped her saying: You ask Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) which he does not possess. They said: By Allah, we do not ask Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) for anything he does not possess. Then he withdrew from them for a month or for twenty-nine days. Then this verse was revealed to him:" Prophet: Say to thy wives... for a mighty reward" (xxxiii. 28). He then went first to 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) and said: I want to propound something to you, 'A'isha, but wish no hasty reply before you consult your parents. She said: Messenger of Allah, what is that? He (the Holy Prophet) recited to her the verse, whereupon she said: Is it about you that I should consult my parents, Messenger of Allah? Nay, I choose Allah, His Messenger, and the Last Abode; but I ask you not to tell any of your wives what I have said He replied: Not one of them will ask me without my informing her. God did not send me to be harsh, or cause harm, but He has sent me to teach and make things easy.


          I want to tell you, prophet Muhammad pbuh doesn’t slap his wives, but laughed at hearing about his friend Umar slapping his wife when they asked for more money. Muhammad’s wife was slapped by her father upon hearing she too had been asking for more money.

          Mr Justice, dont tell me your father didnt beat the hell outa you when you were little maybe cos u took some money out of his wallet without asking his permission.

          Read and try to understand like CPDR said in his previous posts, dont jump to your own conclusions. And look for the wisdom behind whats said or done by the prophet pbuh.

          Besides, in hadiths, there are ones which are authentic and others which we call weak ahadeeth. The book which contains most correct ahadeeth is from Bukhari but i am not sure the one you said if it is authentic or not... i will find out later.

          I hope my point is clear.

          Khokom.

          P.S dont worry we dont beat our wives like you say... we are not animals... we love our wives, we take good care of them and they take care of us and we live happily... i dont know where you get all this crap about muslims beating their wives.

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          • #6
            good one CDPR ,,,
            JS- ur very intrested in islam since u do alot of research on our religion,,, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK (not)
            Don't walk behind me, I may not lead. Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow. Just walk beside me and be my friend.

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            • #7
              Thanks for the literature (wrong or right)but personally, JSCalia, I don't care about who said what when it comes to my body...so just try your slapping on women when I'm around and I'll teach you my version of halal and haram...

              [Edited by 3wineti on 27th January 2004 at 17:13]
              Plus on est de fous, plus on rit!

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              • #8
                in the same books...



                Thus saith the Lord, "Verily those who are patient in adversity and forgive wrongs, are the doers of excellence."

                Once Muhammad was asked, "O Apostle of God!" How many times are we to forgive our servant's faults?" He was silent. Again the questioner asked, and Muhammad gave no answer. But when the man asked a third time, he said, "Forgive your servants seventy times day."




                I (Muaviyah b. Haidah) said, "O Apostle of God! What is my duty to my wife?" He said, "That you give her to eat as you eat yourself, and clothe her as you clothe yourself; and do not slap her in the face nor abuse her, nor separate yourself from her in displeasure.


                Muhammad said, "Beat not your wives." Then Omar came to the Rasul (Muhammad) and said, "Wives have got the upper hand from hearing this."

                He is the most perfect Muslim whose disposition is best; and the best of you are they who behave best to their wives.





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                • #9
                  Critique, thanks for guarding the fort but to both of you: we, women, are the most concerned by what you say (since it's about halal or haram to beat wives) but at the same time I don't feel your quotes can be applied to us, in 2004. There is a discrepancy here. It simply doesn't fit anymore. That's why each scolar (all men of course) gives us his own interpretation to win/save a crumb of power. Well gentlemen, sort out things at your ease (you have plenty of time to do that while we slave in and out)but until then, I will only trust what -I- believe is right or wrong for me and my loved ones. In other words, we don't need any body to teach us (with one thousand and one quotes) how to react to violent wackos, we can handle it, thanks, with no guilt feeling, can you?
                  What's next in the halal/haram category? the use of the right hand to eat? I was hoping to find here contemporary muslims to share ideas on how to better live our life, together, in 2004. I already had "tarrbiya islamiya" in my childhood and we all had bloody/silly versions of it with FIS in Algeria and PJD in Morocco. Can we move on? can you tell us what YOU think about the subject and live the quotes aside?
                  Plus on est de fous, plus on rit!

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                  • #10
                    hello!



                    I'm but a crazy human being...wa looooool...hahahahahahah....I miss your poems... wa fina intawa al 3alamo al akbar(Ali).... that is my religion.

                    wa looool....vino, al khodra wal wajhou al hassano ...another religion......ma 7la ifran ma 7la jamalou ....wa looool...hrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

                    take care!

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                    • #11
                      Critique, khessek chi mrra elli tenssik el vino/viagra ou dak zmerr koulou! Rak daye3 a 7bibi! Ca me fait du mal quand j'y pense!
                      Poemes? sirr chouf fe dak le forum elli kanou serrqou fih oua7ed le poeme diali...3ad qtebt chi 7aja el barre7..imarra: cliki 3la le pseudo diali ou 3di ibanelik!
                      Kissou! Thella ferrassek!
                      Plus on est de fous, plus on rit!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 3wineti
                        Critique, thanks for guarding the fort but to both of you: we, women, are the most concerned by what you say (since it's about halal or haram to beat wives) but at the same time I don't feel your quotes can be applied to us, in 2004. There is a discrepancy here. It simply doesn't fit anymore. That's why each scolar (all men of course) gives us his own interpretation to win/save a crumb of power. Well gentlemen, sort out things at your ease (you have plenty of time to do that while we slave in and out)but until then, I will only trust what -I- believe is right or wrong for me and my loved ones. In other words, we don't need any body to teach us (with one thousand and one quotes) how to react to violent wackos, we can handle it, thanks, with no guilt feeling, can you?
                        What's next in the halal/haram category? the use of the right hand to eat? I was hoping to find here contemporary muslims to share ideas on how to better live our life, together, in 2004. I already had "tarrbiya islamiya" in my childhood and we all had bloody/silly versions of it with FIS in Algeria and PJD in Morocco. Can we move on? can you tell us what YOU think about the subject and live the quotes aside?

                        3wineti,

                        You know you made me smile... cos somehow you reminded me of a convo i had with a gurl i chatted to a while back. I hope thats not what you meant though cos she went too far... anyways she said she is a woman of 2004, a modern muslima of 2004.... and i asked... tell me about the woman of 2004. She said well basically... we are modern muslims... we do what we like...wear what we like, and we dont have to wear hijab.. we wear modern clothes... she regards hijab as something old fashioned... LOL i dont get it... there are gurls who wear Gucci hijabs LOOL anyways... she went on to say there is a religion called modern islam... and i was like o really...so tell me what is this religion... she said did you know the quran has been messed with by men back in bla bla bla... LOL i thought oh no LOL is this your modern islam? she goes... well a modern muslima can have a boyfriend if she wants to... she can love ..bla bla she went on about love... and then she goes.. we dont have to follow anyone... she said i do what i think is right and not what others tell me.... i thought wow... what you think is right? so if you think having sex with strangers who you call boyfriends is right... you would still do it? so who would u blame if you get aids... him or you.. LOL ... my point here is... we as humans are weak creatures... we cant know whats right and wrong ... thats why the quran is sent down from Allah... to tell us how to live this life.... she is confused... why.. because she twisted islam to suit her bad needs... i can say i am modern... i have a modern TV... i have a laptop which is considered modern... i used mobile phones.... i can drive modern cars and buy latest home entertainment stuff within my budget of course and i wear a suit every morning to work.... BUT and a big BUT i never modernised my religion... islam stayed the same ever since it was brought and thats why its a beautiful religion... thats why no other prophets are sent after Mohammed pbuh... because it hasnt been corrupted... The quran hasnt been changed and the hadiths are categorized into authentic ones and dhaa3if ahadeeth... she went totally against islam and called it modern islam LOOOL damn thats funny. She will suffer but ah well... i hope she returns to the right path... i asked her ... you must think its right to date anyone from anywhere... basically dating strangers... she said yeah i date who i love...i asked her.. do your parents know that you date... she said HELL NO... i told her why not... you think its right.. how come they dont think its right. She never answered and started to change the subject.

                        Anyways, 3wineti sister... i hope you are not talking about modern women as in modernising islam to suit them. Islam is clear it gave rights to women no other religion or race gave... newborn gurls used to be killed in the time before islam came (el jahilia), until the prophet pbuh changed everything.

                        Prophet Mohammed wallahi is one of a kind... he is a mericle himself.... if we only became 1% of what he is... this world would be waaay more peaceful than it is now. Lets not forget the source of our strength... and who we are.

                        Please dont take this wrongly... i am not against you in anyway, but dont let little things in life... bad experiences as a woman, u might have seen women being maltreated etc change your view in anyway on islam... islam is clear... culture is a different thing.

                        I just want to say something regarding violent men...etc A man who beats his woman is certainly crazy... but if she comes to him, speaks with a louder voice than his, uses wrong words with him, offends his parents, comes between him and his parents.... he warns her several times but she still insists to cause trouble... wouldnt you get to the point of slapping her 3wineti LOOL ha? This is a woman who isnt ready to keep the relationship goin, keep her husband happy, but she is there to cause problems.
                        I am also aware there are many men who beat their wives for no reason, this has nothing to do with islam... it is clear that such men are mentally disturbed or have anger problems... it then relates to the way they were brought up, the environment they wear brought up in... possibly his dad always beated his mom or otherway around... these things happen unfortunatly due to whats mentioned above plus poverty, unemployment ..etc fuels all this. But many people who hate islam and critisize it would say all this is the fault of islam. I would laugh at the ignorance of such people and dare them to justify their sayings.

                        The point is...marriage is not about violence and one beating the other... the husband is to love his wife and care for her, and she does the same in return. He is to make sure she is always happy... always comforts her when she feels down, be side by side with her, she does the same with him... If both know their rights towards each other, honestly there wouldnt be any problem.

                        Have a good night... take care and sorry for the long post.

                        Khokom.


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                        • #13
                          All I can say, is this: The hadith is from Sahih Moslem, therefore it is correct. And for you to talk about servants, and forgiving them 70 times before hitting them, is inhuman. People were all created equal, and there should be no slavery in any religion whatsoever.

                          Always,

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                          • #14
                            Now, I will post a quote from the Koran itself.



                            This is the complete translation of the verse:

                            "Men are overseers over women, by reason of that wherewith Allah hath made one of them excel over another, and by reason of that which they expend of their substance. Wherefore righteous women are obedient, and are watchers in husbands absence by the aid and protection of Allah. And those wives whose refractoriness ye fear, exhort them, and avoid them in beds, and beat them; but if they obey you, seek not a way against them; verily Allah is ever Lofty, Grand." (Quran 4:34)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 3wineti
                              Thanks for the literature (wrong or right)but personally, JSCalia, I don't care about who said what when it comes to my body...so just try your slapping on women when I'm around and I'll teach you my version of halal and haram...

                              [Edited by 3wineti on 27th January 2004 at 17:13]
                              Please 3wineti, don't misread my post. I am against hitting any human being, or using any kind of violence instead of intelligent bargaining. Nevertheless, according to the above Koranic verses, beating women in religion, is sometimes necessary to keep them under control.

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